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    Three Anti-Gun Bills Defeated in California Legislature( including an open carry ban)

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    AB 1810 — Mandatory Registration of Long Guns
    If enacted, Assembly Bill 1810 would have required registration of rifles and shotguns in the same way handguns are now registered in California. Under current law, the information collected at the time of purchase of a rifle or shotgun (serial number, make, and model) is destroyed after the background check is completed. AB 1810 would have required that the make, model, and serial number of the firearm, as well as the identifying information of the purchaser, be recorded and kept on file by the California Department of Justice.

    AB 1934 — Prohibition of Open Carry of Unloaded Handguns
    AB 1934 would have deleted provisions of current California law that allows an unloaded firearm to be carried openly in a belt holster. With some important restrictions, “Open Carry” remains legal in many areas of California. Organized “open carry” gatherings by Second Amendment supporters drew media attention, putting this issue in the limelight. Anti-gunners simply could not tolerate the idea that someone could carry a firearm in public places without going to jail. AB 1934 would basically place the entire state “off-limits” to open carry, eliminating a long-standing right in California.

    AB 2358 — Collection of Information on Ammunition Purchasers
    AB 2358 would have required that ammunition vendors provide detailed information on ammo sales to local law enforcement if required by city or county ordinance records. In addition to records of the date and type of ammo purchased, AB 2358 would force ammunition vendors to give police the names, address, and other personal information of all ammo purchasers. AB 2358 would have also allowed uncontrolled expansion of city and county ordinances requiring handgun ammunition vendors to transmit all information collected relating to sales of handgun ammunition and some rifle cartridges to local law enforcement agencies.
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    What's this in the Louisiana section for? It belongs in the California section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki_Black View Post
    What's this in the Louisiana section for? It belongs in the California section.
    It belongs here as much as some other posts, I guess you do not care about whats happening outside your state but what happens in other states does matter to some people. This is gun rights related and open carry related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by estcrh View Post
    It belongs here as much as some other posts, I guess you do not care about whats happening outside your state but what happens in other states does matter to some people. This is gun rights related and open carry related.
    Don't be dense. OCDO has state-specific sections for a reason, so news and other items that are state-specific stay together. If we start posting random news items from other states in every state section, then the organization is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    Don't be dense. OCDO has state-specific sections for a reason, so news and other items that are state-specific stay together. If we start posting random news items from other states in every state section, then the organization is pointless.

    Exactly. If I want to read California related news, I'll read the Cali section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    Don't be dense. OCDO has state-specific sections for a reason, so news and other items that are state-specific stay together. If we start posting random news items from other states in every state section, then the organization is pointless.
    Actually what almost just happened in California is related to what is happening here in La, maybe your to "dense" to understand.

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    One more (anti)-gun law progresses

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    Yesterday the California state Assembly approved a bill 45-25 that would ban “Open Carry” — the carrying of unloaded handgun in public. The bill now goes to the Senate.

    The measure by Assemblywoman Lori Saldaña, D-San Diego, came in response to advocates who have been toting unloaded pistols in public in an attempt to expand Second Amendment gun rights.

    She and other Democrats behind the measure, AB1934, called it a public safety issue and said law enforcement groups support the bill. Republicans said the measure targets law-abiding citizens.

    This article which was printed before the bill was defeated states the reason for trying to BAN open carry in California as " in response to advocates who have been toting unloaded pistols in public in an attempt to expand Second Amendment gun rights." and "She and other Democrats behind the measure, AB1934, called it a public safety issue and said law enforcement groups support the bill"

    This kind of action could get tried here in La.if law enforcement officials have their way. They are already harassing people who are legally open carrying, whats next....use the excuse of "public safety" to do the same here. Seeing attempts to ban open carry fail in California may help keep politicians from here and other states from trying the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by estcrh View Post
    Actually what almost just happened in California is related to what is happening here in La, maybe your to "dense" to understand.
    What is "happening here in LA" that is related to these California bills? All you did in your OP was copy-and-paste some bill summaries without a shred of explanation as to why it belongs here.

    PS: Speaking of dense... When using the contraction for "you are", it's spelled "you're".

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    Quote Originally Posted by estcrh View Post
    This article which was printed before the bill was defeated states the reason for trying to BAN open carry in California as " in response to advocates who have been toting unloaded pistols in public in an attempt to expand Second Amendment gun rights." and "She and other Democrats behind the measure, AB1934, called it a public safety issue and said law enforcement groups support the bill"

    This kind of action could get tried here in La.if law enforcement officials have their way. They are already harassing people who are legally open carrying, whats next....use the excuse of "public safety" to do the same here. Seeing attempts to ban open carry fail in California may help keep politicians from here and other states from trying the same thing.
    Are there any current attempts to ban OC in Louisiana? Yes, it is possible, but the way you write this sounds as if there is a current legislative assault on the right to carry. If so, please post links and info so we can be informed. Otherwise, as I said before, these California bills are not directly relevant to anything happening in Louisiana and therefore should be in the CA section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    What is "happening here in LA" that is related to these California bills? All you did in your OP was copy-and-paste some bill summaries without a shred of explanation as to why it belongs here.

    PS: Speaking of dense... When using the contraction for "you are", it's spelled "you're".
    I did not realize that "your" a "genius"

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    Quote Originally Posted by estcrh View Post
    I did not realize that "your" a "genius"
    Nope, not a genius. Just someone who expends the slight time and effort required to be coherent and sensible, adhere to elementary spelling and grammar, and pay attention to the forum rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    Nope, not a genius. Just someone who expends the slight time and effort required to be coherent and sensible, adhere to elementary spelling and grammar, and pay attention to the forum rules.
    Your such a good boy...I bet your mommy is proud of you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    Nope, not a genius. Just someone who expends the slight time and effort required to be coherent and sensible, adhere to elementary spelling and grammar, and pay attention to the forum rules.
    I guess you do not understand the forum rules after all, calling people names is not part of the forum etiquette...saying someone is"dense" is no different then calling them a "moron" which is really what you seem to be, you have a rather high opinion of yourself which is good as I am sure that no one else who knows you does. Stop being a "moron" .

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    Quote Originally Posted by estcrh View Post
    I guess you do not understand the forum rules after all, calling people names is not part of the forum etiquette...saying someone is"dense" is no different then calling them a "moron" which is really what you seem to be, you have a rather high opinion of yourself which is good as I am sure that no one else who knows you does. Stop being a "moron" .
    He has proven himself intelligent and level headed on numerous occasions to several members of this forum both through his postings here and in personal conversation. Many members of this site have high opinions of him as he has proven himself as a competent person.

    You on the other hand continue to graciously provide the membership with buffoonery, off topic posts, and denigrating commentary. You also have proven that you are nothing more than an immature and arrogant ***** who has an over-inflated ego and little else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Confederate View Post
    He has proven himself intelligent and level headed on numerous occasions to several members of this forum both through his postings here and in personal conversation. Many members of this site have high opinions of him as he has proven himself as a competent person.

    You on the other hand continue to graciously provide the membership with buffoonery, off topic posts, and denigrating commentary. You also have proven that you are nothing more than an immature and arrogant ***** who has an over-inflated ego and little else.

    Sophomoric response from estrogen in 3...2...1...

    And you, sir, are guilty of a personal attack, which is also forbidden on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    And you, sir, are guilty of a personal attack, which is also forbidden on this forum.
    1. Show me what you think is a personal attack. I have stated facts and my opinion of a person, an opinion that is shared by several members of the Louisiana forum. Just because it may be unpopular, or at the very least it might hurt someone's wittle fewings, does not make it inaccurate.

    2. Show me how it is any of your business in the first place. Last time I checks this was the Louisiana forum, not the Washington one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA Confederate View Post
    He has proven himself intelligent and level headed on numerous occasions to several members of this forum both through his postings here and in personal conversation. Many members of this site have high opinions of him as he has proven himself as a competent person.

    You on the other hand continue to graciously provide the membership with buffoonery, off topic posts, and denigrating commentary. You also have proven that you are nothing more than an immature and arrogant ***** who has an over-inflated ego and little else.

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    So much for your little "ignore button" I knew you couldnt resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    Are there any current attempts to ban OC in Louisiana? Yes, it is possible, but the way you write this sounds as if there is a current legislative assault on the right to carry. If so, please post links and info so we can be informed. Otherwise, as I said before, these California bills are not directly relevant to anything happening in Louisiana and therefore should be in the CA section.
    these California bills are not directly relevant to anything happening in Louisiana and therefore should be in the CA section
    Thats your opinion and if you feel so strongly about them just send a message to the authorities in charge of the forum and they will decide....you are not in charge and can easily just not read this post. In fact just do us both a favor and do not read any of my posts, they are probably over your head and would strain your limited mental abilities.

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    It is an unfortunate fact that the Ca. efforts to ban and control guns are watched and used by other people and groups that support anti gun efforts in their individual states. A loss in Ca. helps to kill the incentive of these people in other places as Ca. is used as a sort of mood gauge for the possible outcome of gun initiatives in the rest of the country just like anti gun advocates look to England and Japan and the ban on guns there as an example for their future legislation and restrictions. We do not want whats happening in Ca. to happen here. Some interesting quotes.

    Gun control advocates, as well as many members of the police force, are especially worried about a new trend in California: people visibly carrying unloaded handguns in public. Policemen say that if they are confronted with someone who's carrying a gun, they have to analyze whether that person is a threat, and it's difficult to do so when more and more people are carrying guns casually.

    "Guns are always dangerous. And you never know when that's going to
    turn on you. If we have greater control on the guns, greater
    regulation on the guns and in the public realm, the chances of us
    coming in contact with that gun become fewer." - Ken James,
    Emeryville, Calif. police chief

    "The major obstacle to the passage of -- of gun control laws is not
    the Second Amendment. It's really the political will, and public
    opinion, and dealing with the power of the gun lobby." - Juliet
    Leftwich, Legal Community Against Violence
    Even if the Second Amendment does apply to the states, Heller itself indicated that there are considerable limits to the right to bear arms: "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited," and is "not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."
    Heller set forth a nonexhaustive list of lawful regulatory measures permitted under the Second Amendment. One permissible ban articulated by Heller was on carrying concealed weapons, noting that "the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues."
    Heller further noted that "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
    Heller also observed that as traditionally applied, the sorts of weapons protected by the Second Amendment were those "in common use at the time," finding that "that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual weapons,'" and meaning that "M-16 rifles and the like - may be banned."

    http://www.bradycampaign.org/legisla...unshowloophole

    http://www.modbee.com/2010/07/06/124...n-laws-in.html

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