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    Turthers at Newsweek?

    I saw the recent cover and LOL'd.

    (it's in the upper right hand corner)

    The fine print next to the asterisk under the PRE of president (that's too small to read online) says "Who isn't actually any of these things."


    So is Newsweek implying that The Omamination ISN'T actually the President?

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    No, i think newsweek is trying to say that Obongo isn't a "terrorist coddling, warmongering, wallstreet loving, socialist, godless, muslim" person.

    And besides, truthers want the truth on 9/11. Birthers want to make sure Obongo can legally be president.

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    Actually the term "birthers" refers to people that believe Oblamer is not a natural born citizen of the United States, and therefore not eligible to be president.

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    Yeah... meant birthers...I guess that shows how much attention I pay to all this stuff.

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    It's not really worth a lot of attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phssthpok View Post
    Yeah... meant birthers...I guess that shows how much attention I pay to all this stuff.
    9/11 truthers being a glaring example of mindless malcontents, the birthers aren't to far behind.

    Now I would love to find out obozo was really a Kenyan, and see him thrown in prison for a few decades and then deported. It ain't going to happen though. If there was any legitimacy to the question, or at least any evidence at all, hitlary would have used it.

    Just like if there was truly any evidence of 9/11 having been an inside job, someone would have brought it to court without being laughed out of it.

    If you're still convinced obozo is a Kenyan, don't marginalize yourself. Most lucid people will hear that and ignore any of your legitimate concerns about his being a far left rabid moonbat hell bent on destroying the country.

    Just like if perhaps the strongest opponents against the Patriot Act came from professionals focused on the potential for the abuse of power by the gov't, instead of a bunch of unemployed delusional lunatics led by alex jones and his bullhorn who was focused on fame and selling his stupid videos.
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    My stance on the birther issue is: I don't know. I should be able to know.

    President Obama should stop hiding his records (not just the full birth certificate, but many others that would substantiate his bloated resume). I don't think that anyone who is not willing to withstand public scrutiny should hold such high public office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    My stance on the birther issue is: I don't know. I should be able to know.

    President Obama should stop hiding his records (not just the full birth certificate, but many others that would substantiate his bloated resume). I don't think that anyone who is not willing to withstand public scrutiny should hold such high public office.
    I don't think he should be allowed to keep these records hidden, the FEC should have been able to get all these records and make them public. It should take a panel of judges to make them private if there are legitimate privacy concerns that would not disqualify the candidate.

    That said, I think his citizenship had to have been verified, or SOMEONE would have raised a flag and stopped the campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    My stance on the birther issue is: I don't know. I should be able to know.

    President Obama should stop hiding his records (not just the full birth certificate, but many others that would substantiate his bloated resume). I don't think that anyone who is not willing to withstand public scrutiny should hold such high public office.
    and thats exactly how i feel.

    you only hide something if you have something to hide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    My stance on the birther issue is: I don't know. I should be able to know.

    President Obama should stop hiding his records (not just the full birth certificate, but many others that would substantiate his bloated resume). I don't think that anyone who is not willing to withstand public scrutiny should hold such high public office.
    Agreed, all obama did was add fuel to the fire when he spent over a million dollars to pay 11 different attorneys to have all of his records sealed and refuses to talk about it. So even if this is all bs he is just making the fire worse by hiding it. He has created this whole mess on the issue of his eligibility by refusing to talk or show any documents, and the million plus spent sealing records does not help him either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    Agreed, all obama did was add fuel to the fire when he spent over a million dollars to pay 11 different attorneys to have all of his records sealed and refuses to talk about it. So even if this is all bs he is just making the fire worse by hiding it. He has created this whole mess on the issue of his eligibility by refusing to talk or show any documents, and the million plus spent sealing records does not help him either.
    And you think that wasn't exactly what he was after?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daylen View Post
    And you think that wasn't exactly what he was after?
    I could not see why he would want this much heat on his administration, unless his goal was to make the right look nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    I could not see why he would want this much heat on his administration, unless his goal was to make the right look nuts.
    Hasn't that been his goal the entire time he has been in office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    Hasn't that been his goal the entire time he has been in office?
    Yes, but there is much better ways and quicker ways of doing this than putting so much heat on ones self. Too me its just stupid thing to do unless i am great over thinking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    I could not see why he would want this much heat on his administration, unless his goal was to make the right look nuts.

    BINGO!!

    It's also the same reason I think the gov't has not done anything to counter 9/11 truthers. It allows stupid people to maintain the delusion that the gov't is all powerful, and can pull off such operations. Furthermore it helps marginalize people who would otherwise be passionate libertarians, and reduces their ability to persuade others to join them in resisting excessive security measures such as the patriot act.

    Regarding the moonbat messiah, any heat on him over the concerns over his concealed records come almost entirely from those who do not support him, and never did. Since birthers have been pinned to the lunatic fringe, few lucid people would drop support of him based on this issue. If for no other reason than to keep from being associated to the fringe. I didn't like the SOB as soon as I figured out he was a pinko.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elixin77 View Post
    you only hide something if you have something to hide.

    Like the inside of your vehicle in a traffic stop? Or the inside of your house during a "knock and talk"?

    Watch it there... You're walking into dangerous territory...

    The difference between our 4A rights (which LEOs routinely trample using the "what are you hiding" argument) and the Presidency of the US is that the 4A GUARANTEES that whether we have something to hide or not, we are NOT subject to unreasonable or warrentless searches.

    The Constitution states clearly that an individual MUST be a natural-born citizen of the USA to be eligible for President. EVERYONE who runs for this office is REQUIRED by law to be a natural-born citizen, and if there is any question at all, the People have the right to demand proof. If a candidate can not (or will not) provide proof, then they are, by the LAW OF THE LAND, ineligible. And going to extraordinary lengths to seal ALL the records from one's past history (school records, medical records, employment records, etc) should be, in the minds of any rational person, proof of wrongdoing.

    Then again, I would probably have a difficult time proving that I a eligible to be President, because I'm adopted, and by law, my original biological birth certificate is sealed, and unobtainable except through a court order...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingForWar View Post
    It's also the same reason I think the gov't has not done anything to counter 9/11 truthers. It allows stupid people to maintain the delusion that the gov't is all powerful, and can pull off such operations. Furthermore it helps marginalize people who would otherwise be passionate libertarians, and reduces their ability to persuade others to join them in resisting excessive security measures such as the patriot act.

    Yeah, like the people who poo-pooed the "conspiracy theorists" who said that the US government allowed the Lusitania to sail (knowing it was LOADED with munitions for England, and the Germans knew it and were planning to sink it)--as an excuse to enter WWI...
    http://www.pbs.org/lostliners/lusitania.html

    Or maybe like how the Navy poo-pooed all those "conspiracy theorists" who said in the late 1940's that the Navy knew several days ahead of time about the impending Pearl Harbor attack and did nothing to prevent it as an excuse to enter WWII...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_H...owledge_debate

    Or perhaps like the "conspiracy theorists" who said that the Gulf of Tonkin never actually happened, but was a media fabrication to give us an excuse to enter the Vietnam Conflict...
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm

    Or maybe it's like all those people who were saying back in the early 1970's that the National Geographic story about Hughes Corp's "Glomar Explorer" was just a cover story and had nothing to do at all with "mining deep sea mineral nodules" but was, in fact, a top-secret project to recover a sunken Soviet nuclear sub...
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305/index.htm

    Or maybe it's like those 399 blacks in Tuskeegee AL between 1932 and 1972 who were told that the vaccines they were getting were to protect them against disease, but were in fact INTENTIONALLY giving them syphilis to use them as human guinea pigs to track infection vectors through the community...
    http://www.tuskegee.edu/global/story.asp?s=1207598

    Or maybe it's like the Fernald School experiment where they gave plutonium-laced breakfast cereal to orphans to see what it would do, but denied that they did anything harmful for DECADES...
    http://tech.mit.edu/V115/N49/radiation.49n.html

    Yeah, you're right, "PrayingForWar". Our government loves us, and would NEVER tell us lies to benefit the profit margins of their evil, globalist buddies, or to further the agenda of the military-industrial complex, or would never do anything illegal or unconstitutional to further the globalist agenda, and bring us closer to neo-feudalism and absolute revocation of individual sovereignty. They would NEVER kill, maim, torture, poison, or disfigure thousands of innocent people just for grins and giggles.

    Yeah, three steel-frame buildings completely collapsed into their own footprints from fire damage. Sure, we ALL believe that one...

    It couldn't have possibly been an inside job. The fact that the cost of demolishing these buildings (because they were obsolete, filled with asbestos, and hemoraging millions of dollars each year in repairs, overhead and lost rentals) would have cost more than their original construction, and the fact that the owner took out new insurance policies just a few weeks before they were hit, and the fact that we had 40,000 troops staged, ready and waiting on carriers in the Persian Gulf two days before the 9/11 "attack", and the fact that never before or since--in the history of architecture, has a steel frame building ever collapsed from extensive fire damage, or an airplane strike, or the fact that over 50% of the people who were supposedly hijacking these airplanes have been found to be alive in other countries, or the fact that over 50% of the people who sat on the official 9/11 commission have admited--on the record--that there is indisputable evidence of a coverup, don't mean that there might be something more to this story than we've been told.

    Yeah, they'd never do anything like that...

    Are you an agent provocateur, or are you just illiterate, "PrayingForWar"
    ?

    You may be "praying for war", but I'm praying for your powers of discernment, because they are either completely non-existent, or you are a "plant".

    Wake the f#@& up, man...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Yeah, like the people who poo-pooed the "conspiracy theorists" who said that the US government allowed the Lusitania to sail (knowing it was LOADED with munitions for England, and the Germans knew it and were planning to sink it)--as an excuse to enter WWI...
    http://www.pbs.org/lostliners/lusitania.html

    The germans put a full page ad in the local newspapers telling people they were going to sink that boat. You're asinine indictment might hold some water had Wilson even made the slightest attempt to suppress the ad while he had so much influence. Had the gov't stopped the boat from sailing, leftist sociopaths like you would have called it discrimination.

    Are you aware of the fact that the nazis landed sabotuers on our soil from submarimes to blow up infrastructure, and that the japanese launched ballon bombs against us while the government pressed the media to keep it quiet? Why didn't the "NWO" use that to promote their war? Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    Or maybe like how the Navy poo-pooed all those "conspiracy theorists" who said in the late 1940's that the Navy knew several days ahead of time about the impending Pearl Harbor attack and did nothing to prevent it as an excuse to enter WWII...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_H...owledge_debate

    Wikipedia? Please... Even IF the DOD knew when and where, do you not think (and I know critical thinking is a challenge for you now) they would have done more than move the aircraft carriers (without any defenses at all) out of the port? They wouldn't have made a single defensive move, no anti air, no forward counter attack operations? If you know the "enemy" is going to attack, wouldn't you ambush them? Try thinking independently, it might help you in the future.

    Or perhaps like the "conspiracy theorists" who said that the Gulf of Tonkin never actually happened, but was a media fabrication to give us an excuse to enter the Vietnam Conflict...
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm

    So what? Were you there? Are you so sure that the NVA communists were just peace loving nativists resisting our tyranny that we invented the whole war?

    Or maybe it's like all those people who were saying back in the early 1970's that the National Geographic story about Hughes Corp's "Glomar Explorer" was just a cover story and had nothing to do at all with "mining deep sea mineral nodules" but was, in fact, a top-secret project to recover a sunken Soviet nuclear sub...
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305/index.htm

    This proves the CIA plants secret cover stories? STOP THE PRSSESES!!!! THE CIA DOES $HIT THEY DON"T WANT THE SOVIETS TO STOP. Next you're going to say Islamic Jihad wasn't invented by muhamed, the crusades never happened, and the US Gov't successfully pulled off the most incredibly complex "false flag" operation ever devised with absolute flawless precision...

    Oh wait, never mind...

    I suppose

    Or maybe it's like those 399 blacks in Tuskeegee AL between 1932 and 1972 who were told that the vaccines they were getting were to protect them against disease, but were in fact INTENTIONALLY giving them syphilis to use them as human guinea pigs to track infection vectors through the community...
    http://www.tuskegee.edu/global/story.asp?s=1207598

    Are you suggesting that I or anyone else that has a grasp of history, is unaware of Tuskeegee? Would you feel better if we all hated our country? Is there any government on earth that has never done anything wrong?

    Or maybe it's like the Fernald School experiment where they gave plutonium-laced breakfast cereal to orphans to see what it would do, but denied that they did anything harmful for DECADES...
    http://tech.mit.edu/V115/N49/radiation.49n.html

    Is there a single credible link for this or did they just quote an old soviet pamphlet? Even if it isn't just a steaming pile of bolshevshit, it's 60 years old, and has absolutely no relevance to 9/11, or obozo's birth certificate.

    Yeah, you're right, "PrayingForWar". Our government loves us, and would NEVER tell us lies to benefit the profit margins of their evil, globalist buddies, or to further the agenda of the military-industrial complex, or would never do anything illegal or unconstitutional to further the globalist agenda, and bring us closer to neo-feudalism and absolute revocation of individual sovereignty. They would NEVER kill, maim, torture, poison, or disfigure thousands of innocent people just for grins and giggles.

    No, I never said anything about the gov't loving us, but they certainly appreciate idiots who believe they're all powerful. They lie to everyone, all the time, they always have, and I've never said they don't. If you're suggesting they're killing, maiming, torturing and disfiguring people just for giggles, I'll suggest you're just not happy unless only Americans are butchered on the internet by saracen sociopaths.

    Yeah, three steel-frame buildings completely collapsed into their own footprints from fire damage. Sure, we ALL believe that one...

    Yes, we do. Since you're all too happy to completely misrepresent that entire event with one bull$hit sentence, there's no need to point out how stupid it is.

    It couldn't have possibly been an inside job. The fact that the cost of demolishing these buildings (because they were obsolete, filled with asbestos, and hemoraging millions of dollars each year in repairs, overhead and lost rentals) would have cost more than their original construction, and the fact that the owner took out new insurance policies just a few weeks before they were hit, and the fact that we had 40,000 troops staged, ready and waiting on carriers in the Persian Gulf two days before the 9/11 "attack", and the fact that never before or since--in the history of architecture, has a steel frame building ever collapsed from extensive fire damage, or an airplane strike, or the fact that over 50% of the people who were supposedly hijacking these airplanes have been found to be alive in other countries, or the fact that over 50% of the people who sat on the official 9/11 commission have admited--on the record--that there is indisputable evidence of a coverup, don't mean that there might be something more to this story than we've been told. Is global warming "indisputable" too? I just have to ask because there are so many scientists that call it BULL$H!T, are they all agents like all the scientists that refute "9/11 Truth" too? Keep insisting your "theories" are FACTS, and that anyone who says otherwise is an agent. Before you know it everyone outside your cult will be an agent.

    Yeah, they'd never do anything like that...

    Are you an agent provocateur, or are you just illiterate, "PrayingForWar"?

    Who would you be working for? George Soros? Or are you just pissy because I openly ridicule your asinine cult? I advocate loyalty to our country, I've take an oath to defend the Constitution, and I've willingly risked my life to back it up. If anyone is an "agent provocateur"its YOU. You and your kind do everything you can to undermine the faith and alliegence of the people who make this country function, and for what end? Do you want a revolution? What is your objective here?



    You may be "praying for war", but I'm praying for your powers of discernment, because they are either completely non-existent, or you are a "plant".

    There's one thing I promise you, I will gladly secure the peace and safety of our citizens from the likes of agitators like you.
    Wake the f#@& up, man...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Like the inside of your vehicle in a traffic stop? Or the inside of your house during a "knock and talk"?

    Watch it there... You're walking into dangerous territory...

    The difference between our 4A rights (which LEOs routinely trample using the "what are you hiding" argument) and the Presidency of the US is that the 4A GUARANTEES that whether we have something to hide or not, we are NOT subject to unreasonable or warrentless searches.
    Exactly. As in the time I was stopped (routine, no violation) about 18 years ago and the LEO said, "May I look in your trunk?" to which I responded, "Do you have either a warrant or probable cause?" Boy was he ticked! He said rather menacingly through gritted teeth, "I'd like to look in your trunk, please!" I said, "unless you have a warrant or probable cause, you may not look in my trunk." He almost lost it mentally and emotionally, and made me wait 20 minutes while he sat in his car, probably conferring with higher-ups to see if there were ANY way to get around it. When he did return with my license and registration, he didn't even hand them to me. He simply threw them through the window and said, "Get the f out of here."

    The Constitution states clearly that an individual MUST be a natural-born citizen of the USA to be eligible for President. EVERYONE who runs for this office is REQUIRED by law to be a natural-born citizen...
    Yes.

    ...and if there is any question at all, the People have the right to demand proof.
    Actually, it doesn't say that. This is common sense, and I would think it's explicitly implied, but it doesn't actually say that. I would argue that we citizens have to prove ourselves to our government, when asked, so why shouldn't Obama, a citizens, have to prove himself to our government before he's allowed to run for it's executive leadership position?

    If a candidate can not (or will not) provide proof, then they are, by the LAW OF THE LAND, ineligible.
    Our Constitution does not say this, Dreamer. It says:

    "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

    That's all it says about it.

    And going to extraordinary lengths to seal ALL the records from one's past history (school records, medical records, employment records, etc) should be, in the minds of any rational person, proof of wrongdoing.
    I agree with you here. What's he hiding? Why is he hiding it?

    Then again, I would probably have a difficult time proving that I a eligible to be President, because I'm adopted, and by law, my original biological birth certificate is sealed, and unobtainable except through a court order...
    If you were running for President, you, as an adult, could almost certainly obtain a court order under those circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Like the inside of your vehicle in a traffic stop? Or the inside of your house during a "knock and talk"?

    Watch it there... You're walking into dangerous territory...

    The difference between our 4A rights (which LEOs routinely trample using the "what are you hiding" argument) and the Presidency of the US is that the 4A GUARANTEES that whether we have something to hide or not, we are NOT subject to unreasonable or warrentless searches.

    The Constitution states clearly that an individual MUST be a natural-born citizen of the USA to be eligible for President. EVERYONE who runs for this office is REQUIRED by law to be a natural-born citizen, and if there is any question at all, the People have the right to demand proof. If a candidate can not (or will not) provide proof, then they are, by the LAW OF THE LAND, ineligible. And going to extraordinary lengths to seal ALL the records from one's past history (school records, medical records, employment records, etc) should be, in the minds of any rational person, proof of wrongdoing.

    Then again, I would probably have a difficult time proving that I a eligible to be President, because I'm adopted, and by law, my original biological birth certificate is sealed, and unobtainable except through a court order...
    I clearly understand what you are saying.

    What I said was talking about obama - he has something to hide, therefore he is hiding it. Sorry I didn't make that clear
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingForWar View Post
    Go **** ********. I tried talking to you, reasoning with you. You're lost, you've joined the tin foil hat brigade, and you accuse anyone who disagrees of being an agent. Wake yourself up, you're living in a mightmare you've helped create.

    Yeah, you are right...

    Instead of quoting sources like GMU's NSA archives, and MIT's official newspaper, maybe I should use your method of debate and dicsussion, and just dismiss other people's statements out-of-hand, name-calling, and belittlement. That seems to be the prevailing tactic in the facade that poses as "public debate" on the Internet, and in the media these days...

    And for the record, I think George Soros is every bit as evil and sociopathic as Bill Gates, the Clintons, the Rockefellers, and the Bush family.

    And for the record, it has been admitted by several members of the US IPCC, as well as some of the leading researchers at the UEA Climate Research Unit that "global warming" is the biggest scientific fraud ever perpetrated in the history of science.

    In the 70's they were telling us all that the world was headed into a new ice age because of too much CO2 and pollution. In the '90's it got changed from an impending ice age to "global warming". Now they just call it "climate change" and blame every little anomalous weather event on CO2, and they are telling us that if we just pay "carbon taxes" on every good, service, and vehicular movement, they are going to save the planet.

    These are the same people who, in the last few years, have started to say that mercury-based preservatives in vaccinations are "cognative enhancers", that corn plants which have been genetically engineered to produce their own pesticides are healthy to eat, and that aspartame--a neurotoxin and carcinogen that is produced commercially from the waste products of genetically engineered E.Coli bacteria is a healthy and beneficial sugar substitute...

    I for one, don't buy it for one minute...
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