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    Just found out that Open Carry was legal...

    Well i Just found out today about this OC law and never heard of it. I currently have in my possesion a pistol, but its one of my great grandfathers ones from what I am guessing the civil war. [Lead balls + gunpowder and the little thing that shoves the ball down there] and that simply wont do. I was wondering what is the best/yet cheapest shooting range that I could go to near or in Williamsburg. I once went to a gun range near surry when I was younger and shot there. I know that i have been getting in trouble with the law lately, but I am starting to change that. I also am 18 [encase that matters] and also interested in becoming a LEO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupo View Post
    Well i Just found out today about this OC law and never heard of it.
    Welcome to the forum. Which law?
    Carry On.

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    Not sure why I wrote that but I mean Open carrying in general, my friends had no idea about this as well. But I have been to court before and again coming up soon, how would I know if I am able to OC? Im not on probation but my next charge might put me on it. [None of these charges are violence related]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupo View Post
    Not sure why I wrote that but I mean Open carrying in general, my friends had no idea about this as well. But I have been to court before and again coming up soon, how would I know if I am able to OC? Im not on probation but my next charge might put me on it. [None of these charges are violence related]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupo View Post
    SNIP I also am 18 [encase that matters] and also interested in becoming a LEO.
    I believe there are age restrictions on purchasing a handgun. I cannot recall whether in VA an 18yr old can purchase a handgun. I believe federal law requires one must be 21 to buy from a gun store/licensed dealer. I'm foggy on whether an 18yr old can legally obtain a handgun in a private sale under state law.

    Where's our walking encyclopedias on gun statutes who know exactly where to look?

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    Well all the above would have to be a negative.

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    Kupo;

    Welcome to OCDO. I live in the Yorktown area and have been a firearms instructor since 1987. I would be glad to take you to the range and teach you what I know about weapons, safety, marksmanship, carry methods for the "under 21 crowd", etc.

    Send me a PM if you are interested. There is an indoor range (The Marksman) in Newport News not far from me. I don't mind meeting you there. You can rent a pistol and buy their ammo until you find something you want to carry. I can also help you with choosing a self-defense pistol that is reliable and won't break the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC 45ACP View Post
    I live in the Yorktown area and have been a firearms instructor since 1987. I would be glad to take you to the range and teach you what I know about weapons, safety, marksmanship, carry methods for the "under 21 crowd", etc.
    NRA Instructor manual says to not use the term "WEAPON" in all basic firearms classes.
    Carry On.

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    Sorry Ed. I haven't gotten around to the NRA Instructor gig yet. I was just a simple military Small Arms Instructor for most of my career. Small Arms, Firearms, Weapons... Not politically correct words, just teach SAFETY FIRST, then marksmanship and the finer points of sight alignment, trigger squeeze, breathing, etc... No need to get into details or semantics.

    Sorry to have used improper terminology. I'm still not completely up on all the politically correct wording. I'll try to remember I don't carry a WEAPON, its just a TOOL. :-D
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC 45ACP View Post
    Sorry Ed. I haven't gotten around to the NRA Instructor gig yet. I was just a simple military Small Arms Instructor for most of my career. Small Arms, Firearms, Weapons... Not politically correct words, just teach SAFETY FIRST, then marksmanship and the finer points of sight alignment, trigger squeeze, breathing, etc... No need to get into details or semantics.

    Sorry to have used improper terminology. I'm still not completely up on all the politically correct wording. I'll try to remember I don't carry a WEAPON, its just a TOOL. :-D
    No apology needed. I said the "W" alot too since I was in the USMC. Then I started paying students $5 for catching me saying it and I stopped pretty soon. While people here will be on both sides of the fence regarding the word and it's use, the NRA gave me my certification so I do it their way. They did testing and have determined that the word WEAPON has negative connotations. If you find yourself in a defense shooting situation and you say I "drew my weapon" instead of replacing "weapon" with "pistol, revolver, Kimber, Glock, Sidearm, Firearm" you might alienate a juror that otherwise might have been on your side. True or not.. The odds are already against the shooter.. I will take any help I can get... even if it is a word chocie. It's kinda like teaching you to not cuss at a bad guy held at gunpoint. If you are like "Please sir... stay down until the police get here." instead of "If you MOVE MF!! I am gonna Blow yer F%%$%$ HEAD off!!!" I am told the first way will do alot better for me in court.
    Carry On.

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    Maybe its time to get off my posterior and get that NRA Cert. Your post really makes me think about how things will turn out for me when/if I'm ever in a "situation". I honestly don't worry about my marksmanship ability or my ability to "do the right thing". My biggest concern is the aftermath: My mouth will probably be what gets me in trouble. Come to think of it, that was my problem while I was "in", too... I was no stranger to the Green Felt tablecloth with the pitcher of ice water and glasses that no one drinks from that you most certainly NEED to drink for yourself.

    Its been 5 years since I retired, and I'm STILL getting used to "civilian life". The language I use if the situation comes up will be crucial. Does anyone teach a class on "what to say and do when "IT" happens? That course would be invaluable to the folks that already have the other skills to come out of "IT" in one piece as the "victor", but do we know much about "What comes NEXT?" I, for one, do not. I'm probably screwed because I will most certainly use the language I was taught and not **** when LE arrives on scene.

    Thanks for the reminder, Ed. Check's in the mail. [Seriously, on the 1st... for cards... ;-) ]
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    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC 45ACP View Post
    Does anyone teach a class on "what to say and do when "IT" happens?
    OCDO member "User" does, and I have taken it twice. :-)
    Carry On.

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    Well i Just found out today about this OC law and never heard of it.
    Welcome! and what law? I wouldn't OC a black powerd gun.

    I know that i have been getting in trouble with the law lately,
    Oh well you have to see a list, its like felons/violence/drugs and a few other things that prohibits you from carrying a firearm or owning one.
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    It was a alcohol charge. And I might be interested in taking your offer. My dad has a CCW [I believe thats what you call a concealment license] and he would most likely "gift" me a gun since he has quite a few. But I am waiting until I get my license unsuspended before I really do anything like going to a range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    It's kinda like teaching you to not cuss at a bad guy held at gunpoint. If you are like "Please sir... stay down until the police get here." instead of "If you MOVE MF!! I am gonna Blow yer F%%$%$ HEAD off!!!" I am told the first way will do alot better for me in court.
    Unless you're a cop...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evf59iCtoQ0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PnnUJ-OmeM

    And in SOME states, I'm starting to think they actually teach them at the academy to use the most rude, obscene, and offensive language and attitude as they can possibly muster when in a "situation". At least that seems to be the case from many of the videos I've seen from MD, DC, NY, and CA...

    Down here in NC (and in WV and VA, from my experience), most of the LEOs actually still say "excuse me", "Please", and address you with "sir" or "ma'am". LEOs must be going through a VERY different training program in the south...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Unless you're a cop...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evf59iCtoQ0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PnnUJ-OmeM

    And in SOME states, I'm starting to think they actually teach them at the academy to use the most rude, obscene, and offensive language and attitude as they can possibly muster when in a "situation". At least that seems to be the case from many of the videos I've seen from MD, DC, NY, and CA...

    Down here in NC (and in WV and VA, from my experience), most of the LEOs actually still say "excuse me", "Please", and address you with "sir" or "ma'am". LEOs must be going through a VERY different training program in the south...
    Its got nothing to do with academy training, its got to do with regional differences.

    Having come from the north, it was not unusual to hear profanity on a regular basis. Its generally not directed at a specific person, but more in general terms as an adjective. If someone here were trying to describe the sky and an unusual color of blue, you might say baby blue, powder blue, sky blue, blue green, etc. Someone from the north for example, might say "The sky is some kind of F'ing blue". The F'ing denotes an unusual color for which I cannot readily identify. See, people up north do not view profanity with the same level of offensiveness that southerners do. A northerner might only get upset if a profane remark was directed at them directly, and even then they'd probably just flip you off the first time that you said it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC 45ACP View Post
    Does anyone teach a class on "what to say and do when "IT" happens?
    Maybe not a full class, but when I took ProShooter's Utah class (in MARYLAND, no less!!), he provided some really great information on how to handle "IT".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Unless you're a cop...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evf59iCtoQ0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PnnUJ-OmeM

    And in SOME states, I'm starting to think they actually teach them at the academy to use the most rude, obscene, and offensive language and attitude as they can possibly muster when in a "situation". At least that seems to be the case from many of the videos I've seen from MD, DC, NY, and CA...

    Down here in NC (and in WV and VA, from my experience), most of the LEOs actually still say "excuse me", "Please", and address you with "sir" or "ma'am". LEOs must be going through a VERY different training program in the south...
    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Its got nothing to do with academy training, its got to do with regional differences.

    Having come from the north, it was not unusual to hear profanity on a regular basis. Its generally not directed at a specific person, but more in general terms as an adjective. If someone here were trying to describe the sky and an unusual color of blue, you might say baby blue, powder blue, sky blue, blue green, etc. Someone from the north for example, might say "The sky is some kind of F'ing blue". The F'ing denotes an unusual color for which I cannot readily identify. See, people up north do not view profanity with the same level of offensiveness that southerners do. A northerner might only get upset if a profane remark was directed at them directly, and even then they'd probably just flip you off the first time that you said it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr H View Post
    Maybe not a full class, but when I took ProShooter's Utah class (in MARYLAND, no less!!), he provided some really great information on how to handle "IT".
    I agree that it is to some degree a regional thing, but it is very much also how the department/agency personnel are trained and what is expected of them.

    Some departments DEMAND that their people speak and act courteously at all times. Leadership counts and there are those that do not dismiss the benefits of positive image and good public relations.

    York County, Va. Sheriff J.D."Danny" Diggs comes to mind as a prime example.
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    My main question is how do you open carry in a car. [As a driver, and a passenger].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupo View Post
    My main question is how do you open carry in a car. [As a driver, and a passenger].
    Open carry in Va. is not any different on the street, in a vehicle or in a restaurant. It is NOT dependent on the position of the viewer or what stands between you. It is ALL about how you are carrying your handgun.

    Point of fact, you could be laying down in the back seat of a SUV and still be OCing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr H View Post
    Maybe not a full class, but when I took ProShooter's Utah class (in MARYLAND, no less!!), he provided some really great information on how to handle "IT".
    Thank you, Mr. H.

    I do cover that topic in a few of my classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupo View Post
    My main question is how do you open carry in a car. [As a driver, and a passenger].
    Kupo - you should come take our "Intro to Concealed Carry in Virginia" class. I think you may benefit from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupo View Post
    Not sure why I wrote that but I mean Open carrying in general, my friends had no idea about this as well. But I have been to court before and again coming up soon, how would I know if I am able to OC? Im not on probation but my next charge might put me on it. [None of these charges are violence related]
    I'm guessing you should probably talk to your attorney and let him spell it out, but if you have made bad decisions then odds are it wouldn't be wise to go around carrying something that might make you want to make more bad decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    Welcome! and what law? I wouldn't OC a black powerd gun.
    Racism! Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    And, be careful about criticizing black powder guns, too. I've come across some references to the effect that the Ruger Old Army cap-and-ball revolver has the muzzle energy of a .38+P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    SNIP the Ruger Old Army cap-and-ball revolver has the muzzle energy of a .38+P.
    It just means that you have to hit what you shoot at.

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