SAK
Regular Member
I like the idea of giving them a chance to apologize for what was done. Saying that their actions in this, their ability to admit fault, etc, will dictate your actions - I think that's very wise.
There is a sentence I use when I have a LEO hellbent on trying to violate my rights, I simply ask "Did you not take an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States? Then why are you trying to break that oath by violating my civil rights?"
9 times out of 10 it breaks their current mission, by making them think about it for a second, and I typically get a half-assed apology from the officer afterwards.
I suggest some other people try that route and see if it works for them too since I have had success with it.
don't talk to the police.
some of you may have respect for leo's, but i have nothing but extreme loathing for them. They aint your friend, they are out to put us law breakers in the clink...nothing more.
I'm not from Wisconsin, but I feel the need to insert an opinion here. Apologies up front for intruding...
Let's put it this way: When any of us ends up in court for any reason, we are expected to have known the law so as not to have broken it. We have all heard, over and over, that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
When considering someone who's JOB is based on enforcing those laws, their knowledge and understanding of of the law should be encyclopedic compared to ours.
The people have delegated them some authority to enforce laws, and the ONLY way they can do that is to know the laws - not guess at them or make them up as they go along.
If a Law Enforcement Officer breaks a law, ignorance of the law is no excuse for them, either.
In fact, they should be held to a higher standard than Joe Public in knowing the laws, since the permission to use the limited authority we granted them to do the job we delegated to them requires intimate knowledge and understanding of the law.
What was the question again? :lol:
Thomas seems like true words of wisdom. If we do something wrong a fine is what we recieve and our appoligies do us no good. LEO spend their working career dealing with the laws, and enforcing them, they should know them, after all is that not their job? I would not last long at my place of employment if I could not perform properly. They are no different. The problem is when they make a mistake it is someones rights that get violated, unacceptable.
If the MPD wanted to respect us and "reach out" to us, today would have been apology day. Given that today was attack in the media, threaten to mail out MORE citations, we were set up, etc., I'll consider the MPD's actions to be a continuation of the original crime.
I say hit that town with all you got. Five or six member groups spread out ALL OVER TOWN. Lock your wallet/ID in the car, carry only a little cash and we'll meet up at the jail as they bring us in. We refuse to identify, make them hold us, and then get a judge to admonish the ENTIRE department.
As an aside, EVERYBODY write the NRA, and WI-FORCE. IF they are for gun rights they MUST ACT NOW. If they remain silent, then they are showing the are useless and are hanging themselves.
Write letters to the editors of EVERY PAPER, fox news, EVERYBODY you can think of, now IS the time to act.
Are you serious?? They know the law they chose to violate it. Now they can pay. They must get the message that they do not get to choose which rights citizens get to exercise. The time for "reaching out" expired when they violated our member's rights.