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    Thumbs down Timrook Park Weapon Ban - Campbell County

    I was going to the Timrook park today with the wife to run the dogs, when I noticed a Park Rules sign.
    I am planning on attending the next Campbell county board of supervisors meeting to protest this. Would it be best to counter this with the Virginia law on Local Ordinances/Preemption http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+15.2-915 or is there a better law to reference? (Tax payer money funding the park etc)
    Sorry if I missed any past posts that would be helpful, also any constructive advice is also welcome. Thanks guys and gals!

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    15.2-915 will be your friend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    15.2-915 will be your friend!
    Thanks I thought so! I was not 100% sure if this would be a local ordinance or what. I am not too hot on law, even though I try my best to know it.

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    You might want to email the County Attorney first and let him know you plan to appear.
    Otherwise the Board will take it under advisement pending the Attorney's opinion.

    Be prepared for the "Stoopid" comments like "But, but...there are children there.

    Or the ever popular, Why do you need a gun in the park?

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    Dang it that's right in my neighborhood! I'll make sure Campbell County hears from me tonight or tomorrow. This can't stand.

    *Jero which entrance had this sign? I'm going to snag a picture of my own and give the county government a call. This is absolutely outrageous.
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    Here is the county ordinance for parks, no mention of firearm, gun or weapon. Some over-eager employee was probably just thinking on their own.

    http://www.co.campbell.va.us/Documents/code/ch03.pdf

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    The Campbell County website does not have a listing for the county attorney or his/her contact info. The only thing I found that might be of use is the county head of parks and recreation whose contact information I have provided below for all interested in calling or writing.

    Parks & Recreation: recreation@campbellcountyva.gov 434-332-9570

    From: http://www.co.campbell.va.us/Pages/directory.aspx

    Here is the link for the county administrators: http://www.co.campbell.va.us/Pages/c...nistrator.aspx

    Does anyone with experience in this regard have a suggestion of how to make the first contact? E-mail, phone, etc. Perhaps try phone and e-mail first then registered letter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Here is the county ordinance for parks, no mention of firearm, gun or weapon. Some over-eager employee was probably just thinking on their own.

    http://www.co.campbell.va.us/Documents/code/ch03.pdf

    TFred
    Thanks for the link Tfred!

    Ill print that off and head down to the Campbell County Parks Department next week and see whats the low down.

    James

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jero1987 View Post
    Thanks for the link Tfred!

    Ill print that off and head down to the Campbell County Parks Department next week and see whats the low down.

    James
    Glad to help. Here is the general Parks web site:

    http://www.co.campbell.va.us/depts/rec/Pages/parks.aspx

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    Found it: David W. Shreve is the Campbell County Attorney as of June, 2010 according to county records that I have found. His contact information is:

    7th St
    Altavista, Virginia 24517
    (434) 369-6621

    http://www.co.campbell.va.us/Pages/localofficials.aspx

    I'll give him a call tomorrow.
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    Where is this?

    I am from Campbell County and I have never heard of Timrook Park.

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    It's on the southeast (I think) corner of the intersection of Leesville Road and Waterlick Road, not far off of US-460 and near Timberlake Rd.
    Last edited by jmelvin; 09-21-2010 at 07:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarefootCarpenter View Post
    I am from Campbell County and I have never heard of Timrook Park.
    Right outside of Lynchburg.

    Here is a link to the parking lot and the pond is also apart of the park.
    http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...05681&t=h&z=18

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    The park (despite the park rules posting) is Timbrook Park.

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    Yo, if all of you haven't done dinner we can get together around 8:15 or so at Neighbor's Place to discuss.

    104 Paulette Circle, Lynchburg, VA 24502 (In Wyndhurst off of Enterprise Drive beside the BP).
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    Not today, dinner is done.

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    The wifester and I will be there anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmelvin View Post
    Found it: David W. Shreve is the Campbell County Attorney as of June, 2010 according to county records that I have found. His contact information is:

    7th St
    Altavista, Virginia 24517
    (434) 369-6621

    http://www.co.campbell.va.us/Pages/localofficials.aspx

    I'll give him a call tomorrow.
    He is not a full time County Attorney. Somewhat of a nice guy. Jero this was a good find. I find it strange because the former long time Director of Parks is a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmelvin View Post
    The wifester and I will be there anyway.
    The wife and I will be there at 8:15. Just gunna have dessert I think. We already had dinner, but a good conversation is always welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by kenny View Post
    He is not a full time County Attorney. Somewhat of a nice guy. Jero this was a good find. I find it strange because the former long time Director of Parks is a friend.
    I don't plan to raise a huge stink, I am confident this will be righted. My plan so far is just to go in with my head on straight and work my way through the chain of command. Why bother big wigs, when sometimes just talking calming and logically can solve the problem.

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    Yeah, really no "protest" needed, just bring it to their attention that it's contrary to state law and needs to be corrected. It was a similar thing that got the cops called on us at Burke Lake a few years ago, they had never updated their rule book (and the park manager was determined to be right, law or no.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmelvin View Post
    The park (despite the park rules posting) is Timbrook Park.
    Ha ha, the photo site is blocked at my work, so I just now saw the picture of the sign. This should tell you everything you need to know, some low level ..... typed up a sign and slapped it up.

    As noted, this is not a big deal. Especially with the added teeth the General Assembly gave the preemption law this year (possible for court costs to be reimbursed).

    All you need to do is point out the error, and that they are in violation of the law and exposed to financial liability for a court case that they will certainly lose, and they will probably race you to the park to pull down the sign.

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom6zoom View Post
    Yeah, really no "protest" needed, just bring it to their attention
    and that right there will probably fix it...
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    I just got off of the phone with Mr. Shreve's secretary and she confirmed that he is still the Campbell County attorney and further took a message for Mr. Shreve about the park rules at Timbrook Park violating state law, particularly section 15.2-915. Toward the beginning of the conversation his secretary asked me the type of issue that I had to address and I mentioned that the problem was an apparent violation of state law with regard to the control of handguns and that although it appeared there are no remnants of old codes left in the Campbell County code this rule has been listed on a slapped up sign that doesn't even properly give the name of the park. I mentioned that if this rule were attempted to be enforced with regard to handguns carried lawfully then the county stood to be at financial risk for enforcing an illegal rule.

    All in all the conversation was very cordial and she took my contact information so that Mr. Shreve could look into the matter and call me back.
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    Am I the only one who noticed?

    The date at the bottom of the sign is 2005. Yeah it is illegal NOW, and it has to go away where bad laws go, but it likely just got left up or replaced with a fresh copy of the old sign. Tread gently, I doubt they know it is in violation and it will be fixed rather quickly once the error is revealed.

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    Even at five years old that sign would have been invalid when it was put up. The full "pre-emtion" law went into effect in July, 2004.

    Too bad I never looked at these rules. Some of my wedding pictures were taken at this park just last year. At least I'm rarely there.

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