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Madison Police Chief Noble Wray 2009 Legal Update

range rat

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See Last Paragraph..

Disorderly Conduct—Visible Weapons
Wisconsin’s Attorney General recently released an advisory
memorandum discussing the applicability of the disorderly
conduct statute to individuals openly carrying firearms. The
central point of the memorandum was: “mere open carry of a
firearm, absent additional facts and circumstances, should
not result in a disorderly conduct charge.” Many have asked
what impact, if any, this has on MPD officers’ decisions
when confronted with these types of situations. The short
answer is that this does not change the way in which MPD
officers respond to reports of people openly carrying
firearms. A few points:
First, it is important to realize that the memorandum is
advisory only, and is for “educational and informational”
purposes. It does not in any way restrict the legal authority
of officers to take action or of individual prosecutors to
pursue charges.
Second, the memo only addressed the applicability of the
disorderly conduct statute to the open carrying of a firearm.
It did not in any way address any other firearm-related
statutes.
Third, the memo confirms that officers in most
circumstances can stop a person openly carrying a firearm in
public to investigate possible criminal activity.
Finally, a close reading of the memo makes it clear that the
Attorney General’s position is simply that a disorderly
conduct charge is not automatically appropriate anytime
someone is openly carrying a firearm. The examples
provided by the memo illustrate this:
• “a hunter openly carrying a rifle or shotgun on his property
during hunting season while quietly tracking game should not
face a disorderly conduct charge. But if the same hunter
carries the same rifle or shotgun through a crowded street
while barking at passerby, the conduct may lose…its
protection.”
• “A person openly carrying a holstered handgun on his own
property while doing lawn work should not face a disorderly
conduct charge…if, however, a person brandishes a handgun
in public, the conduct may lose its…protection.”
So, MPD officers responding to reports of an individual
openly carrying a firearm should continue to respond as was
the case prior to this memo’s release. The suspect should
generally be detained, using proper tactics to ensure officer
and community safety. Officers should then conduct an
investigation to determine whether an arrest is appropriate.
To support a disorderly conduct charge it will continue to be
necessary to show that the carrying of the firearm—under
those particular circumstances—was the type of behavior
that caused, or tends to cause, a disturbance. The location of
the incident, the behavior of the suspect and the reactions of
witnesses will all be relevant to this determination.
 

Flipper

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From Wray's document:

"To support a disorderly conduct charge it will continue to be necessary to show that the carrying of the firearm—under
those particular circumstances—was the type of behavior that caused, or tends to cause, a disturbance. The location of
the incident, the behavior of the suspect and the reactions of witnesses will all be relevant to this determination."

The Five were there for two hours without incident and then on the basis of a person saying she was "uneasy" a determination was made that behavior that tends to cause a disturbance took place???
 

anmut

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Interesting. The next time I see a guy that's dressed like a thug, i'm going to call 911 because it makes me uneasy. I would then expect the police to come and demand ID from such thug and harass him if he doesn't have it and ultimately give him a disorderly conduct ticket because he caused disorder with his clothing (in my mind).
 

Tomas

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Interesting. The next time I see a guy that's dressed like a thug, i'm going to call 911 because it makes me uneasy. I would then expect the police to come and demand ID from such thug and harass him if he doesn't have it and ultimately give him a disorderly conduct ticket because he caused disorder with his clothing (in my mind).

Ya know, those 'thugs' are especially worrisome when in groups, partially blocking a sidewalk, or strung out line-abreast walking through a mall...
 
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