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Concealed weapons permit
- Thread starter YourGunsAllWet
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jmelvin
Founder's Club Member
What on earth could you post about other than the occasional police stop or running across a no-guns sign when carrying concealed or having a purely equipment discussion? When you carry concealed no one knows you're carrying so it has none of the beneficial affect of letting the public know that good, regular folks carry firearms, and also reduces the opportunities for police and public officials to express their joy in seeing those not on the taxpayer dole carrying as well and deters no crime because the bad guys don't know they'll get shot until they've decided to begin their criminal behavior.
wylde007
Regular Member
One of my favourite responses (and one I neglected on Saturday evening) is when confronted by someone who demands to know why I'm carrying a gun, and then follows with something along the lines of "Isn't that dangerous?" without first even pausing for me to respond to the first query is:
"How many other people are carrying?"
They can't answer. There is absolutely no way to know who else is carrying unless they carry openly. That is often lost on them.
"How many other people are carrying?"
They can't answer. There is absolutely no way to know who else is carrying unless they carry openly. That is often lost on them.
jmelvin
Founder's Club Member
The concept can that people are armed deters some criminals and I recognize that, but as you say open carry makes it very clear that people are armed. It's the difference between "If I attack this person the statistics say that I have a 1 in X chance that the person has a gun and I get shot, vs. if I attack this person I have a known high likelihood of being shot because I know for a certainty the person has a gun, so maybe I'll just leave them alone."
Thundar
Regular Member
Very sad that you intend to take action because you feat government actions. May the chains of tyranny weigh lightly upon you.
The 2 A is all about making sure that you do not fear govt, that govt fears the citizen.
Open Carry is all about exercising rights. Try it when you get to Virginia. You will feel more free.
Live Free or Die,
Thundar
mrjam2jab
Regular Member
Since your FL permit is honored in VA, I would wait on the VA permit until you are a resident...if for no other reason, you'll save yourself about $50.
VA 18.2-308 doesnt agree with you.
TFred
Regular Member
What?
18.2-308 says: "D. Any person 21 years of age or older may apply in writing to the clerk of the circuit court of the county or city in which he resides, or if he is a member of the United States Armed Forces, the county or city in which he is domiciled, for a five-year permit to carry a concealed handgun."
Maybe "establish residency" has more than one meaning... but the code is fairly clear, "in which he resides".
TFred
swinokur
Activist Member
I second that. I come to VA EVERY weekend. Being FREE beats being a subject any day.
Lookin to move.
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SouthernBoy
Regular Member
A good response to this, providing the person asking has a bit of a sense of humor, is, "Well, I certainly hope so". I would not answer like this if the person was dead serious as I would not wish to cement in someone's mind that those who carry are of questionable character.
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TFred
Regular Member
wylde007
Regular Member
On the other hand it might serve to reason that someone who would ask a question like that and pose it in a nature most serious has already determined that those who carry are of questionable character to begin with.
Discrimination has many faces, my friend.
I agree and to be honest, I've gotten tired of answering stupid questions lately.
I think the proper response would be "No".
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
I believe you're quite on the mark... with both comments.
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
I have never been asked that particular question, but I suspect I would probably respond with something like, "No, sir".
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curtiswr
Regular Member
mrjam2jab
Regular Member
d'oh....apparently I read too much into into the post i was replying to. I read it as "must establish residency of x months".... :-(
TFred
Regular Member
Well, I wasn't saying you were entirely wrong...
It really could be open to interpretation. What does it take to prove to the clerk of the court that you do in fact reside in their jurisdiction? The traditional documents do take some time to come by, such as a utility bill, a bank statement or a drivers license. It would probably be difficult to drive into the state as you move here, and swing by the courthouse to apply for your CHP. It's not well defined.TFred
paramedic70002
Regular Member
Lets add the next sentence to the Code section quoted:
Now, this may have been put in there assuming you are moving from one VA jurisdiction to another, then suddenly decide to apply for a permit, but I doubt it. I think the GA meant to not deny new state residents access to a permit longer than the 45 day maximum processing period. At any rate it says what it says.
So, what's the legal definition of reside?
www.law.com says:
Well, that doesn't help, much. If I were in this position I would use a lease, mortgage, real estate bill of sale, etc., even a note from a landlord to prove residency. Now if I was living in a hotel prior to inhabiting a more permanent abode, I'm not sure how that would work. I suppose it might be up to the court to challenge your residency? FWIW the VSP CHP application does not require you to attach a copy of your DL http://www.vsp.state.va.us/download...for_Concealed_Handgun_Permit_Rev_7-1-2010.pdf however the VSP website http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm#ApplicationforaConcealedHandgunPermit reminds us that the CHP must be accompanied by a VA photo ID, or DOD or USSD ID.
The Code does not specify what documents are required to process the application. Again, the VSP website reminds us to check with the local clerk to determine what exactly what documentation is required. We know that SSNs are not required. Processing the application has more to do with the criminal history check, training, etc., than it does with investigating residency. VA requires new residents to obtain a VA DL within 30 days of residency (if you drive, of course). I suspect that a new resident would take care of this immediately if he was anticipating applying for a permit. Of course the DMV is picky about what documentation you need for a license or ID:
http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/webdoc/citizen/drivers/applying.asp
Examples of proof of VA residency are:
Now, this may have been put in there assuming you are moving from one VA jurisdiction to another, then suddenly decide to apply for a permit, but I doubt it. I think the GA meant to not deny new state residents access to a permit longer than the 45 day maximum processing period. At any rate it says what it says.
So, what's the legal definition of reside?
www.law.com says:
Well, that doesn't help, much. If I were in this position I would use a lease, mortgage, real estate bill of sale, etc., even a note from a landlord to prove residency. Now if I was living in a hotel prior to inhabiting a more permanent abode, I'm not sure how that would work. I suppose it might be up to the court to challenge your residency? FWIW the VSP CHP application does not require you to attach a copy of your DL http://www.vsp.state.va.us/download...for_Concealed_Handgun_Permit_Rev_7-1-2010.pdf however the VSP website http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm#ApplicationforaConcealedHandgunPermit reminds us that the CHP must be accompanied by a VA photo ID, or DOD or USSD ID.
The Code does not specify what documents are required to process the application. Again, the VSP website reminds us to check with the local clerk to determine what exactly what documentation is required. We know that SSNs are not required. Processing the application has more to do with the criminal history check, training, etc., than it does with investigating residency. VA requires new residents to obtain a VA DL within 30 days of residency (if you drive, of course). I suspect that a new resident would take care of this immediately if he was anticipating applying for a permit. Of course the DMV is picky about what documentation you need for a license or ID:
http://www.dmv.virginia.gov/webdoc/citizen/drivers/applying.asp
Examples of proof of VA residency are:
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