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    Hey guys, I would just like to tell you about a class that Forrest and I took this weekend at Weaponcraft. www.weaponcrafttraining.com This class qualifies you to get your permit to carry a concealed firearm.

    First, I would just like to say that Forrest and I completely blended in for this so that we wouldn't get treated any differently than any other student.

    The class was instructed by 2 former Marines who are now Police Officers. (One was SWAT)

    The class began at approx. 7:45am and was built for the beginner, as well as the more advanced alike. We began with the bare basics, the parts of a handgun and moved into firearms safety. For some of us, this was a refresher although it wasn't boring. The instructors controlled the class well, without being overwhelming and never once did they make you feel like they were better than you as so many firearm instructors tend to do. We were all issued dummy rounds and went over reloading, as well as different firearm handling positions ie the "low-ready".

    Next we went over a fairly comprehensive law review. This was informative and well planned out. The instructors would also answer any question that people had. After the law review we broke for lunch and were told to meet up at the range.

    This is where the real fun began. On the range, there were 3 instructors for right around 12 people, so the ratio was 4 students per every 1 instructor which is actually quite good. The instructors maintained safety at all times and kept things moving at a great pace. It was never too fast, and never too slow. If you needed individual attention there were enough instructors for you to be able to receive all that was necessary to make this experience worth your while. We began with the basics, trigger control, as well as where the trigger on our firearm would reset.

    After we were familiar with our own firearm we were ran through some drills that were quite entertaining. Of course, this is only the basic handgun course and thus there was no moving and shooting involved. That is offered in their more advanced classes. Towards the end of the shooting portion the "fun" targets came out and we were told to fire center of mass beginning from 40M and moving in from there until we were within 5M. This showed people their marksmanship limits.

    Overall I would definitely refer a friend to this course in a heartbeat. You fire 300 rounds and get an instructors help at any point you would like it. This is definitely the course to take if you are looking to A) get your permit to carry concealed or B) receive firearm training/get familiar with your firearm.

    And remember!! ** MOCA ** members get a DISCOUNT! :-)

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    Sounds awesome. What was the cost of that course? Was ammo provided in that cost or did you have to bring your own/buy it there?

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    HG01 is normally $175. Members get a discount (just tell them you were referred through MOCA). Ammo is not included but their prices are very reasonable and they'll do bulk orders (was offered 3,000 rounds of .380 auto for $330)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ep0k View Post
    HG01 is normally $175. Members get a discount (just tell them you were referred through MOCA). Ammo is not included but their prices are very reasonable and they'll do bulk orders (was offered 3,000 rounds of .380 auto for $330)
    Wow, that's a really decent price for such an in depth course. And $330/3000 for .380 is like really cheap! are you sure it wasn't 1000 rounds for $330? The cheapest I can find .380 ball for is $269/1000 and that's for crappy Russian surplus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boyscout399 View Post
    Wow, that's a really decent price for such an in depth course. And $330/3000 for .380 is like really cheap! are you sure it wasn't 1000 rounds for $330? The cheapest I can find .380 ball for is $269/1000 and that's for crappy Russian surplus.
    No joke, that was for 3000 rounds. Unfortunately I no longer need it as my .380 decided to **** the bed on the range and I'm disinclined to fix it.

    So I just ordered one of these...

    http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_produ...5c_general.asp
    v/r
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    Quote Originally Posted by ep0k View Post
    No joke, that was for 3000 rounds. Unfortunately I no longer need it as my .380 decided to **** the bed on the range and I'm disinclined to fix it.

    So I just ordered one of these...

    http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_produ...5c_general.asp
    NICE. I have the HK45 full size and LOVE it. Extremely soft shooting and accurate. HK45c gets awesome reviews as well. Todd Green is doing a test at http://pistol-training.com/ on the HK45 and went 34000 rounds before his first malfunction. Simply an incredible pistol.

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    MOCA members have been offered a 10% discount on all NRA certified courses at Maine CWP Training and an annual membership to Western Maine Fish & Game. Our Personal Protection in the Home course is discounted to $108.00. Includes three hours of law and range time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    MOCA members have been offered a 10% discount on all NRA certified courses at Maine CWP Training and an annual membership to Western Maine Fish & Game. Our Personal Protection in the Home course is discounted to $108.00. Includes three hours of law and range time.
    I've taken NRA Basic Pistol (at Waterford Fish and Game)(CORRECTED) and the NRA Personal Protection in the Home. The combination of those two doesn't come close to Weaponcraft's Basic Handgun/Concealed Carry. The Weaponcraft course was really a defensive shooting class with basic safety, law review, 300-350 rounds of shooting technique, effects of stress. It was the stress shooting techniques taught by SWAT operators/Maine Criminal Justice Academy instructors that sealed it for me. And no attitude; very relaxed but focused learning environment.
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    I took the Weaponcraft HG01 course and I thought it was fantastic! The instructor I had was knowledgeable and patient and calm (I was a little nervous). I thought the first half of the course as going to be boring because it was classroom time, but it wasn't! The instructors presented very interesting information in a dynamic way and we spent half that time practicing dry fire, drawing and holstering. I didn't know before I took this course how important muscle memory is to shooting, but having the time to practice drawing, etc. really helped me when we went out on the range. During the second half of the class (outside shooting) we started very close to the targets so I got a chance to build my confidence with shooting. We gradually moved farther away from the targets, so I was continually challenged. There were 13 other people in my class and everyone seemed to be having a great time. There were 3 instructors so I felt like I had lots of personal attention. HG01 was an excellent course and I highly recommend anyone take it. I was one of the newbees in the class, but there were a few people who had lots of shooting experience and they seemed to really enjoy and get a lot out of the class, too.

    A few weeks ago I went to Weaponcraft's "Girls with Gun" free event. It was great! We went through stations that addressed different topics. I especially liked the legal topics station. The instructor (Dan?) is so funny, but also knowledgeable and serious about the topic. We also got to shoot all kinds of different firearms including a rifle. I really liked the the glocks. I have small hands and the glock we used was the right size for me. All of this was free (including the ammo) and we even got a cute t-shirt! It was such an awesome event.

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    I need to make a correction, the price I was quoted for .380 was actually for 1000 rounds, not 3000. Still a hell of a deal though.
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    I've taken NRA Basic Pistol (at Western Maine Fish and Game)and the NRA Personal Protection in the Home.
    When did you take the class there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ep0k View Post
    I need to make a correction, the price I was quoted for .380 was actually for 1000 rounds, not 3000. Still a hell of a deal though.
    Okay, thought so, that makes MUCH more sense... :P

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    yea ive heard of weaponscrafters. have a friend who went to the ccw class. i thought about going but its too far for me when i can just get classes from these guys right in sanford http://www.conceptsforpersonalprotection.org/

    they have some upcoming ccw classes as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanebelanger View Post
    Hey guys, I would just like to tell you about a class that Forrest and I took this weekend at Weaponcraft. www.weaponcrafttraining.com This class qualifies you to get your permit to carry a concealed firearm.

    First, I would just like to say that Forrest and I completely blended in for this so that we wouldn't get treated any differently than any other student.

    The class was instructed by 2 former Marines who are now Police Officers. (One was SWAT)

    The class began at approx. 7:45am and was built for the beginner, as well as the more advanced alike. We began with the bare basics, the parts of a handgun and moved into firearms safety. For some of us, this was a refresher although it wasn't boring. The instructors controlled the class well, without being overwhelming and never once did they make you feel like they were better than you as so many firearm instructors tend to do. We were all issued dummy rounds and went over reloading, as well as different firearm handling positions ie the "low-ready".

    Next we went over a fairly comprehensive law review. This was informative and well planned out. The instructors would also answer any question that people had. After the law review we broke for lunch and were told to meet up at the range.

    This is where the real fun began. On the range, there were 3 instructors for right around 12 people, so the ratio was 4 students per every 1 instructor which is actually quite good. The instructors maintained safety at all times and kept things moving at a great pace. It was never too fast, and never too slow. If you needed individual attention there were enough instructors for you to be able to receive all that was necessary to make this experience worth your while. We began with the basics, trigger control, as well as where the trigger on our firearm would reset.

    After we were familiar with our own firearm we were ran through some drills that were quite entertaining. Of course, this is only the basic handgun course and thus there was no moving and shooting involved. That is offered in their more advanced classes. Towards the end of the shooting portion the "fun" targets came out and we were told to fire center of mass beginning from 40M and moving in from there until we were within 5M. This showed people their marksmanship limits.

    Overall I would definitely refer a friend to this course in a heartbeat. You fire 300 rounds and get an instructors help at any point you would like it. This is definitely the course to take if you are looking to A) get your permit to carry concealed or B) receive firearm training/get familiar with your firearm.

    And remember!! ** MOCA ** members get a DISCOUNT! :-)
    sounds like you and forrest had a good time.

    xd-over

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep0k View Post
    No joke, that was for 3000 rounds. Unfortunately I no longer need it as my .380 decided to **** the bed on the range and I'm disinclined to fix it.

    So I just ordered one of these...

    http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_produ...5c_general.asp
    that sucks! at least it didnt happen when you where protecting yourself.

    xd-over

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    just wandering is weaponcraft a sponsor for moca? still trying to raise the money to be a life time member.

    xd-over

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    Quote Originally Posted by crdonov View Post
    just wandering is weaponcraft a sponsor for moca? still trying to raise the money to be a life time member.

    xd-over
    Weaponcraft is not affiliated with MOCA. Forrest and I simply happened to take their class after looking at all the firearms training facilities in the area. We felt like they were a better fit then the others. We just wanted to state what our personal experiences were and nothing more.

    We have placed a link to Weaponcraft on our homepage for anyone that is looking for more training in the use of their firearms. MOCA does not condone any one firearm training company over any other, but it is the personal opinion of myself, not MOCA that Weaponcraft currently offers a superior course than any I have taken in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce1911 View Post
    yea ive heard of weaponscrafters. have a friend who went to the ccw class. i thought about going but its too far for me when i can just get classes from these guys right in sanford http://www.conceptsforpersonalprotection.org/

    they have some upcoming ccw classes as well.
    I am not familiar with them, but a quick view of their website and they state that they have no live fire in their CCW class. So in my opinion, I would give Weaponcraft the nod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanebelanger View Post
    Weaponcraft is not affiliated with MOCA. Forrest and I simply happened to take their class after looking at all the firearms training facilities in the area. We felt like they were a better fit then the others. We just wanted to state what our personal experiences were and nothing more.

    We have placed a link to Weaponcraft on our homepage for anyone that is looking for more training in the use of their firearms. MOCA does not condone any one firearm training company over any other, but it is the personal opinion of myself, not MOCA that Weaponcraft currently offers a superior course than any I have taken in the past.
    wasnt what i meant. just wandering if they gave you any money, to help out paying for website. so basicaly free advertisement.

    xd-over
    Last edited by crdonov; 09-27-2010 at 06:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Whole9ards When did you take the class there?
    I could be wrong on the club by name.(9/28 CORRECTION:Waterford Fish and Game) The club was in North Waterford on the road to Norway from Albany by Papoose Pond Campground. It has been a while. Instructor (basic pistol at Waterford (corrected) Fish and Game) was a guy who had been a member there many years, lived on Paradise Hill in Bethel, was a forester and a Maine Guide very good instructor. Jeff Weinstein taught my Personal Protection in the Home class in Yarmouth. Not ranking on instructors in my original post, but the personal value of the courses I took to my survival should I have a life threatening encounter. NRA is (in my humble opinion) a bit lame in it's real-world application. They (NRA instructors) correct you if you call it a weapon, the NRA believes it should be called a firearm, NOT a weapon. That's just plain too much concern for PC for something life and death. I've also taken training from Blackwater USA and Sig Academy. Weaponcraft is on par with those guys for sure and right here in Southern Maine.
    Last edited by whole9yards; 09-28-2010 at 06:48 AM. Reason: misnamed club in previous post

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    Quote Originally Posted by crdonov View Post
    wasnt what i meant. just wandering if they gave you any money, to help out paying for website. so basicaly free advertisement.

    xd-over
    nope, just my personal view... no incentive behind it

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    whole9ards ~ That is Waterford Fish & Game so please correct your comments.

    Our course evaluations rate the highest in the state of Maine at Maine CWP Training. www.MaineCWPtraining.com

    We conduct most range exercises at Western Maine Fish & Game in Harrison and classes at Cabela's & Crystal Lake Spa typically. Many towns have invited us to their communities to conduct classes for their recreation departments...

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    They (NRA instructors) correct you if you call it a weapon, the NRA believes it should be called a firearm, NOT a weapon.

    A weapon is a tool used to apply force for the purpose of causing harm or damage to persons, animals or structures.
    Would you call a chair, hammer, baseball bat, stick, rope a weapon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Would you call a chair, hammer, baseball bat, stick, rope a weapon?
    I would if I was defending my life with it or if that was why I owned it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    whole9ards ~ That is Waterford Fish & Game so please correct your comments.

    Our course evaluations rate the highest in the state of Maine at Maine CWP Training. www.MaineCWPtraining.com

    We conduct most range exercises at Western Maine Fish & Game in Harrison and classes at Cabela's & Crystal Lake Spa typically. Many towns have invited us to their communities to conduct classes for their recreation departments...

    Paul J. Mattson
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    CORRECTION: The NRA Basic Pistol Course referred to was at Waterford Fish and Game, NOT Western Maine Fish and Game. Personal Protection in the Home was in Yarmouth as stated. Both were still NRA curriculum.

    I'm sure you are a fine instructor. The comments (reiterated now for the second time) were not about personal attacks on you or any instructor. Anyone who gives their time to teach others is to be commended. Then again this thread didn't start out about you, but you seem to be trying very hard to steer it back to CWP at any opportunity. Maybe you should check out Weaponcraft too, then your comments could be on point.

    Who tracks all of the course evaluations in the state? There must be someone if you can claim yours are the highest...

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