Gundude
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Hey, thats a good signature.
Now, back to watching the lightening and thunder storm. (My cats hate thunder)
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Long Beach open carry ARREST
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Hey, thats a good signature.
Now, back to watching the lightening and thunder storm. (My cats hate thunder)
chewy352
Regular Member
Ok I think its time to stop feeding the Brady troll
JoeSparky
Centurion
Seth1981 you are 100% able to give up any claim to any/all rights that you have guaranteed to you by the Constitutions of the United States and the State of California. Also, in my viewing of the video (all 3 parts) no where in any way was the arrestee disrespectful or combative.
Standing up for one's rights is not combative or disrespectful. The officers may be frustrated by this but in no way is availing oneself of ones rights a criminal act.
As for the training question---- I would recommend training and practice BUT No where in the US 2nd Amendment of the Constitution does it REQUIRE ANY TRAINING. To suggest that one have training before they are to be allowed to carry ANY weapon turns a RIGHT into a PRIVILEGE which would be an INFRINGEMENT upon the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS!
AND HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE THE POWER TO GIVE UP THE RIGHTS OF ANY OTHER PERSON?
Curmudgeon
Regular Member
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JJg22
New member
Wow side track.
Gents, you all impress me greatly with your knowledge and fruitful quotes. But, Seth is obviously a gentleman that has no good intent on these forums and rather spend his time arguing. Let us not waste any more time proving to him things we know are right and that we will not let others push us around and tell us what rights we have. Sometimes we get a worm in the apple.
Since I am new, I have been watching a lot of videos of OCers and news footage to see what to expect and so forth. When I saw this I couldn't believe my ears..."you are under arrest for 12031 - for not willing to show ID" WOW, and 2 other cops just watched and a few more showed up to check it out. Sad sad day...I would have been talking to the Chief pretty darn quickly....
Gents, you all impress me greatly with your knowledge and fruitful quotes. But, Seth is obviously a gentleman that has no good intent on these forums and rather spend his time arguing. Let us not waste any more time proving to him things we know are right and that we will not let others push us around and tell us what rights we have. Sometimes we get a worm in the apple.
Since I am new, I have been watching a lot of videos of OCers and news footage to see what to expect and so forth. When I saw this I couldn't believe my ears..."you are under arrest for 12031 - for not willing to show ID" WOW, and 2 other cops just watched and a few more showed up to check it out. Sad sad day...I would have been talking to the Chief pretty darn quickly....
coolusername2007
Regular Member
No, you have it all wrong. Nobody wants a violent felon walking around with a gun. But the reality is they already are carrying concealed weapons and you aren't. So when they do decide to cause mayhem you won't be able to do anything about.
And the law has nothing to do with it. We are talking about unalienable rights granted to you by your Creator, not the government. Which means the government cannot go around asking you for your papers, interrogating you, detaining you, arresting you, or whatever just because they don't like your style of accessorizing. You won't find any police state sympathizers here.
And yes, I have seen the news about the thousands of people the politicians are releasing from state prisons which is exactly why I choose to protect my family and myself and not become a victim. That is my RIGHT and you don't have the power to stop me or anybody else.
coolusername2007
Regular Member
If you like that one, try this one on for size...I think you will find it fitting to this thread and with how our rights have been violated for so long without demands of restitution from the people.
"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason." --Thomas Paine (Common Sense)
bad_ace
Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter
Ryan's account of things...
Ryan and I sat down to go over the audio from his 4th of July detainment and we discuss his July 11th harassment by some of the same officers.
Check out Episode #020 of Open Carry Radio.
Ryan and I sat down to go over the audio from his 4th of July detainment and we discuss his July 11th harassment by some of the same officers.
Check out Episode #020 of Open Carry Radio.
chewy352
Regular Member
Ryan and I sat down to go over the audio from his 4th of July detainment and we discuss his July 11th harassment by some of the same officers.
Check out Episode #020 of Open Carry Radio.
Yea now I've been mentioned on the radio too!!!!!
Gundude
Regular Member
When you're a star, you gotta shine......:banana:
DKSuddeth
Accomplished Advocate
how many other places and circumstances would you feel comfortable being stopped while just following the law, so that they can check you out? how about unannounced searches of your car or home?
so simply because we don't agree with your opinion on being violated and searched 24/7, you think that we should be disallowed from defending ourselves?
there's a funny thing about the way this nation was founded. The framers believed that it was much better for freedom and liberty to have 99 guilty men go free than it was to have a single innocent person wrongly convicted.
thank you for representing to us that you're more concerned with 'feeling safer' than you are with the law. In case you haven't noticed within that news, people get shot in the face all the time because there are already loons out there. why would you prefer to punish us than them?
Gundude
Regular Member
Is it time to stop feeding this troll now?
ryanburbridge
Regular Member
Hi there.
Not sure if you know all of the FACTS. I have tried over and over to explain. Me not giving my I'D was not the reason the LEO kept me so long. I was IDed by another LEO within two minutes of the stop. They knew who I was from a different encounter.
To say you will give up ANY info a LEO asks not only makes NO sense but it may get you into trouble. I may be ignorant but somthing like the 5th amendment sounds familiar.
Here is more info for those who care.
http://www.opencarryradio.com/
Carry on. Stay safe.
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I posted this before I read the entire thread. Thank you guys for explaining to Seth.
I think it would work but he seems not to care.
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Gundude
Regular Member
I posted this before I read the entire thread. Thank you guys for explaining to Seth. I think it would work but he seems not to care.[/QUOTE said:
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Seth1981
Regular Member
You guys do make alot of good points. Im not trying to start an argument here its just my opinion. If you dont like it im fine with that. I dont like some of yours. My standing is the right to bear arms came about huindreds of years ago when the world was a very different place. Everything changes with the times I think these need to also. Not completly just a little revision. I hate the gun laws in Ca. We cant own an Ar-15 because its "scary" gun? Seriously?!? I had to sell alot of my guns to family members out of state so I didnt have to surrender them. I think the way they are going about it are very wrong. Granted I jumped the gun and im not the only one. I should have kept my mouth shut unless I was there and saw and heard everything that happened but again I felt the urge to post my opinion thats what forums are for. Theres no rule saying we have to agree. Life wouldnt be much fun if everybody agreed.
Kevin Jensen
State Researcher
O rly? Who exactly did you fight to advance or maintain our rights?
... I'll be waiting for an answer that does not include Iraq or Afghanistan.
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chewy352
Regular Member
Here is a video for you to watch Seth. Cops have one job and one job only. That is to put people in jail! I hope you research before talking to much to cops and incriminate yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
<sarcasm>AR-15s are scary though and are entirely unneeded in today's society. I know the second amendment says people have an inalienable right to bear arms, but that is an antiquated idea from a very different time. These days we don't need to have guns because we have the police and we can trust that our government will always protect us.</sarcasm>
Inalienable means cannot be taken away from somebody. The right to self-defense is a great example of an inalienable right because people tend to not like getting punched in the face.
The right to be secure from unreasonable search and seizure is also an inalienable right. Forming an imaginary entity (like say...San Francisco Police Department) and paying some random people some money and giving those people matching uniforms doesn't entitle those people to suddenly demand me to do anything for them. They can ask me my name and I can ignore them and continue on my way and they can go on their way and that is perfectly fine. The moment they seize my person they better be doing so for the common good. If I am seized and there isn't some reasonable understanding that I've committed a crime, then they are violating my inalienable right to be free from such a seizure.
How can you begin to argue that you are entitled to an AR-15 when you cannot stand behind one's right to be secure from unreasonable searches and seizures? Police aren't some mystical entity who can do no wrong. Police are people and have no additional rights or capabilities beyond what you or I are capable of. Our legal system has deemed that police should be protected by qualified immunity because their job would subject them to innumerable civil lawsuits. That makes sense. But they cannot seize you just like I cannot approach you in public and seize you without reasonable suspicion that you have or are about to commit a crime.
Never forget that police are only 150 years old. The world still worked prior to 1850. Some may argue that it worked even better.
Seth1981
Regular Member
Army Infantry is all you need to know. I dont mind internet squabbles but you my furry little friend I would like to have this conversation in person. Although I know its not going to happen so bla bla bla yak yak is that enough for you? Dont even try to fire on my service record unless you have served and at least taken fire once. Fobbit's do not count
Kevin Jensen
State Researcher
Yes, I was a "fobbit". Never left the base, never heard a shot.
However, the question remains... Who exactly did you fight to defend, maintain or advance our rights?
I'm pretty sure the people that were shooting at you were no threat to our rights. If anyone was a threat to our rights, it was the politicians that sent us there.
However, the question remains... Who exactly did you fight to defend, maintain or advance our rights?
I'm pretty sure the people that were shooting at you were no threat to our rights. If anyone was a threat to our rights, it was the politicians that sent us there.