Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 34

Thread: Who carries crossdraw?

  1. #1
    Regular Member Metalhead47's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    South Whidbey, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,812

    Who carries crossdraw?

    I got to thinking about this while sitting in traffic today. A little while ago I asked where the whole "FBI cant" thing came from cuz it just doesn't work for me. Then I got to thinking about just switching sides. Way back when I started looking for my first holster, I was turned off to the whole idea of crossdraw carry due to one article that said the grip of the gun pointing forward was too much of an invitation to a gun grabber. Now after a year & a half on OCDO, I have to say Name:  sign0094.gif
Views: 350
Size:  1.0 KB to that! Seems to me that defending against a gun grab from IN FRONT would be much easier than defending from behind. For one thing, you could see your attacker approaching, and then it would be holding the gun holstered with the weak hand while actually defending with the strong, with a knife, BUG, or plain ol' uppercut. Much easier to draw in a vehicle too, and I spend alot of time behind the wheel. And speaking of the weak hand, drawing with such cavalry style becomes an option if your strong hand is disabled, just need an ambi-saftey. Just seems like it'd be more comfortable too, with a heavy butt-down cant.

    Thinking it over, I see alot of pros and not many cons. Yes, one is likely to muzzle-sweep half the room when drawing, but this seems like more of a training issue to me that would be offset somewhat with just proper trigger discipline. Yet it seems pretty uncommon, and downright frowned upon by the Grand High Mukimuks of self defense (Ayoob, et al). If I'm gonna be dropping half the price of my carry gun on a custom holster, might as well me it something that's as comfortable and functional as it is unique, right?
    Last edited by Metalhead47; 09-29-2010 at 09:44 PM. Reason: Ferry docking, had to cut & run. Please re-read whole post :)
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    2,546
    Try to crossdraw in a manner that does not result in you pointing the muzzle at something you do not want to destroy.
    "If we were to ever consider citizenship as the least bit matter of merit instead of birthright, imagine who should be selected as deserved representation of our democracy: someone who would risk their daily livelihood to cast an individually statistically insignificant vote, or those who wrap themselves in the flag against slightest slights." - agenthex

  3. #3
    Regular Member 1245A Defender's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    north mason county, Washington, USA
    Posts
    4,381

    me...

    ive written about it and i do it, some times.
    if you ever "casual carry or conceal carry", it is a big advantage..
    reaching across and into your coat, even when its buttoned, is smooth and easy..
    when driving, your seatbelt is not strapping across your access.
    AND , sometimes things are just too close for you to bend your arms in such a way
    that you can get your hand on it.. weird huh??
    the car seat can keep you from moving your elbow back far enough to grab your gun!
    gun grabs from the rear are much easier to guard against,
    and drawing during a grab attempt is easier.

    AND the top ten reason to carry cross draw is!!
    IT JUST LOOKS SO DAMN COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

  4. #4
    Guest
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    808
    My wife has a holster for cross-draw my 9mm. She just feels it's easier than having it on her side. It's a natural thing for her. She always reaches there. *She's left handed but shoots right and draws from a 11 o'clock position.*

  5. #5
    Regular Member Tomas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    University Place, Washington, USA
    Posts
    705
    When camping/hiking I used to always carry crossdraw, as it was overall more protected, more comfortable, and more accessible under a wider variety of conditions with either hand.

    I still have my old CD holster (a Bianchi 19L IIRC), but I haven't used it in quite some time.
    No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: The officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets. -- Edward Abbey

    • • • Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Faciémus!• • •

  6. #6
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Somewhere over run with mud(s)
    Posts
    791
    I honestly dont see any big disadvantage with cross draw that can not be overcome with training and practice (which we should all be doing anyways....)
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
    E nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."


    "If the rest of the world says: 'War,' I can only say: 'Very well. I do not want war, but no one, however peaceable, can live in peace if his neighbor intends to force a quarrel.'" - Adolf Hitler...

  7. #7
    Regular Member OrangeIsTrouble's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Tukwila, WA, ,
    Posts
    1,398
    That defender dude got me carrying crossdraw too after talking to him about it! I love it, no more of that 9 o clock crap, no more worrying about any potential targets having a advantage over taking my weapon. When I get to, I carry 1-2 clock with a serpa lvl 2 for my M&P. And when you sit down, you don't have to worry about the handle catching on anything such as an armrest or the back of a chair, as it points towards the front of your GIANT TUMMY where things usually don't block.


    Been harassed by the police? Yelled at by the anti-gun neighbors? Mother doesn't approve?

    Then this is the place for you! Click here to get back at them!

  8. #8
    Regular Member DCKilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Wet Side, WA
    Posts
    527
    I think crossdrawing would be more benifical in your car seated. Swinging your gun around to point at your target is kind of risky. If it's easier for you to carry that way, then do it.

    In the car my pistol hangs out on the center console in the cup holder. It's so easy to grab in that location. I think Toyota intentionally built their concoles for OC.

  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    694
    I carry crossdraw using a left handed Serpa holster.

  10. #10
    Regular Member Leatherneck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Des Moines, Washington, USA
    Posts
    281
    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    AND the top ten reason to carry cross draw is!!
    IT JUST LOOKS SO DAMN COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Hey, if Dirty Harry does it, I will too.

  11. #11
    Regular Member amlevin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    North of Seattle, Washington, USA
    Posts
    5,953
    Cross-Draw presents a problem with your reloads. If you have a holster on your weak side then where do you put your spare mags? I find that my pistol on my strong side with two spare mags on weak side works best for me. When I want comfort I just switch to my Galco shoulder holster. For some reason it is easier to retrieve spare mags from under my right armpit than from the right side of my belt.

    For all those that are obsessed with the 'sweep' when cross0drawing, that finger does not belong on the trigger until you are pointing at your target and are ready to shoot. On modern firearms it takes a finger on the trigger to make it go bang.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

  12. #12
    Regular Member Leatherneck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Des Moines, Washington, USA
    Posts
    281
    Everyone will say that training is the answer to the sweeping problem, but in a real situation you're trying to get that finger in there as soon as possible.

    I have an EMT friend who said any time he responds to shots fired by police, the first 2 or 3 shots are in the ground between the LEO and the victim. So... perhaps they could use more training too? (We all could I guess.)

  13. #13
    Regular Member amlevin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    North of Seattle, Washington, USA
    Posts
    5,953
    Quote Originally Posted by Leatherneck View Post
    Everyone will say that training is the answer to the sweeping problem, but in a real situation you're trying to get that finger in there as soon as possible.

    I have an EMT friend who said any time he responds to shots fired by police, the first 2 or 3 shots are in the ground between the LEO and the victim. So... perhaps they could use more training too? (We all could I guess.)
    I can appreciate the concerns for safety and how it is the last thing on one's mind when your life is on the line.

    I have one question though. Where are all the citations of actual shooting incidents where a bystander was injured by someone "cross-drawing" or drawing from a shoulder holster. If it was epidemic then this manner of carry would be prohibited by Police Departments everywhere.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

  14. #14
    Regular Member Metalhead47's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    South Whidbey, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,812
    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Cross-Draw presents a problem with your reloads. If you have a holster on your weak side then where do you put your spare mags? I find that my pistol on my strong side with two spare mags on weak side works best for me. When I want comfort I just switch to my Galco shoulder holster. For some reason it is easier to retrieve spare mags from under my right armpit than from the right side of my belt.

    For all those that are obsessed with the 'sweep' when cross0drawing, that finger does not belong on the trigger until you are pointing at your target and are ready to shoot. On modern firearms it takes a finger on the trigger to make it go bang.
    I was thinking of having the holster-make put the mag carrier right there on the holster, like some of those cheapy ebay ones I'm sure you've seen. If I can't deal with the situation with 19 rounds of .45APC then I'm out of my league to begin with Name:  gun_smilie.gif
Views: 266
Size:  1.4 KB
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    694
    If you have a holster on your weak side then where do you put your spare mags?
    As a lefty my holster is at one to two o'clock and the spare mags are between 4 and 5 o'clock.

  16. #16
    Regular Member amlevin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    North of Seattle, Washington, USA
    Posts
    5,953
    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    I was thinking of having the holster-make put the mag carrier right there on the holster, like some of those cheapy ebay ones I'm sure you've seen. If I can't deal with the situation with 19 rounds of .45APC then I'm out of my league to begin with Name:  gun_smilie.gif
Views: 266
Size:  1.4 KB
    That would work but I kind of like to "balance the load" so my pants don't hang funny. With my pistol on one side and two mags (total 26 rnds. for my Sig) on the other it feels more equal. Since I reload with my left hand, I drop the mag from the gun and it's a nice flow from mag carrier to magwell.

    BTW, carrying extra mags is not always for the purpose of having extra rounds. Any jam caused by a mag can often be cleared by dropping the offending one, clearing the jam and starting with a fresh mag. Then there is the "red faced moment" when you draw your pistol, fire the first shot, only to have the mag fall out because it was dislodged by something you leaned against while the pistol was holstered (that holster would go bye-bye immediately if it was mine). It's is quicker to go to the waist than search on the ground/floor.
    Last edited by amlevin; 09-30-2010 at 02:43 PM.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

  17. #17
    Regular Member skiingislife725's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Lake Stevens, WA
    Posts
    400
    I've always been a fan of appendix carry...11/12 o'clock being a lefty. My mags are at 1 o'clock. This worked great when I would always CC because I could continue to wear what I normally wore (more form-fitting t-shirts) and not print like mad (was carrying in a place that I would have been expelled for carrying).

    Now I still carry appendix because I like the retention aspect. Plus it's got some advantages in car-carry, getting knocked to the ground (in "guard"), or having to cover blows while drawing.

  18. #18
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    63
    I looked out the window once and saw a LEO with his primary standard draw and a pearl handled (yes, pearl handled) backup cross draw on his thigh. My co-workers and I discussed it for a bit then concluded how much easier it would be to draw a cross draw backup from the thigh while seated in a car.
    Last edited by DoomGoober; 09-30-2010 at 05:43 PM.

  19. #19
    Regular Member Whitney's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Poulsbo, Kitsap County, Washington, USA
    Posts
    449

    Practice, practice, practice

    Practice with any holster combination makes you proficient. The range where I am a member does not allow any holster work. Does anyone have this problem too? Where do you go to practice on your holster proficiency?

    -Whitney
    The problem with America is stupidity.
    I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

  20. #20
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    2,546
    Quote Originally Posted by Whitney View Post
    Practice with any holster combination makes you proficient. The range where I am a member does not allow any holster work. Does anyone have this problem too? Where do you go to practice on your holster proficiency?

    -Whitney
    WCA range in factoria
    "If we were to ever consider citizenship as the least bit matter of merit instead of birthright, imagine who should be selected as deserved representation of our democracy: someone who would risk their daily livelihood to cast an individually statistically insignificant vote, or those who wrap themselves in the flag against slightest slights." - agenthex

  21. #21
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    694
    I don't go to ranges for many reasons, cost, distance, range officers with bad attitudes, restrictions on what I can shoot and more. I don't understand why I they won't let me shoot my cannons, mortars and flare launchers there (just kidding).

  22. #22
    Regular Member Metalhead47's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    South Whidbey, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,812
    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post
    I looked out the window once and saw a LEO with his primary standard draw and a pearl handled (yes, pearl handled) backup cross draw on his thigh. My co-workers and I discussed it for a bit then concluded how much easier it would be to draw a cross draw backup from the thigh while seated in a car.
    Hey speaking of you, how the heck do you draw?? I noticed from the Cabelas pix you seem to carry around 2 o'clock with a butt-forward cant, how can you even get a grip on it when it's in front of your arm like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitney View Post
    Practice with any holster combination makes you proficient. The range where I am a member does not allow any holster work. Does anyone have this problem too? Where do you go to practice on your holster proficiency?

    -Whitney
    Gravel pit/woods... pretty much all ranges frown on that stuff.
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

  23. #23
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    63
    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Hey speaking of you, how the heck do you draw?? I noticed from the Cabelas pix you seem to carry around 2 o'clock with a butt-forward cant, how can you even get a grip on it when it's in front of your arm like that?
    Not me. I carry strong side, pretty much "standard." I draw at Interlake Sporting Association in Kirkland. It's a non-profit range that allows drawing. Wade's in Bellevue also allows drawing but only if you're a member.

  24. #24
    Regular Member amlevin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    North of Seattle, Washington, USA
    Posts
    5,953
    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post
    Not me. I carry strong side, pretty much "standard." I draw at Interlake Sporting Association in Kirkland. It's a non-profit range that allows drawing. Wade's in Bellevue also allows drawing but only if you're a member.
    Doesn't ISA require membership to shoot there or do you only shoot in "Open Gate" days?

    BTW, it's now in Redmond due to annexation which will more likely than not cause the range to have to close. Too bad. I've shot there and it's a nice location.
    Last edited by amlevin; 10-01-2010 at 07:28 PM.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

  25. #25
    Regular Member OrangeIsTrouble's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Tukwila, WA, ,
    Posts
    1,398
    Sweeping??? I draw almost same way as a 9 clock regular draw. pull up and follow a straight line to your target..


    Been harassed by the police? Yelled at by the anti-gun neighbors? Mother doesn't approve?

    Then this is the place for you! Click here to get back at them!

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •