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After 42 hours of deliberation.
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This is not good enough. Exempting CCW is NOT good enough. They will NOT enact any legislation against ANY carry method. That's why MOCA was formed and we will fight this every step of the way.
This is not good enough. Exempting CCW is NOT good enough. They will NOT enact any legislation against ANY carry method. That's why MOCA was formed and we will fight this every step of the way.
If the proposed language were to be adopted by the City Council, would it lead anyone to take a step back and reevaluate strategies?
I'm thinking that this proposal will be a big wedge in the firearms rights community. I don't think anyone can deny that the hearings and this proposal are a direct result of the Back Cove event. There are a lot of gun owners who are going to say that the public's perception of it as an "in your face" type situation just kicked a hornets nest. If the proposal passes, I'm guessing that the perception is going to be that open carry resulted in their rights being restricted, and gave the antis another victory.
Is there anything constructive to be learned? What should the open carry community be communicating to the rest of the gun culture to avoid giving the antis this wedge?
It seems like the City Council knows how to split our base between the ones who will stand and the ones who will lay down.
Nobody is joking here. In all my conversations I kept open carry on the table. Prevailing on concealed carry adds prevailing arguments for open carry.I'm open to suggestions but to call this a victory is a joke.
... the fact remains that 2A rights will be infringed. ... to call this a victory is a joke.
The two statements I quoted contradict one another. The antis have a long history of losing in Maine. Any new restrictions where there previously were none are a huge victory for them. Especially in a national atmosphere where residents in other states are getting rights back.
He was referring to it being called a victory for 2A rights as a joke
Shane (quote) Nobody is joking here. In all my conversations I kept open carry on the table. Prevailing on concealed carry adds prevailing arguments for open carry.
doorbell ~ Do you have any evidence the NRA threw MOCA "under the bus"? Myself and attorneys from the NRA have been working this from day one and continue to do so at no expense to you.
Divisive rancor will get MOCA nowhere.
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If the proposed language were to be adopted by the City Council, would it lead anyone to take a step back and reevaluate strategies?
I'm thinking that this proposal will be a big wedge in the firearms rights community. I don't think anyone can deny that the hearings and this proposal are a direct result of the Back Cove event. There are a lot of gun owners who are going to say that the public's perception of it as an "in your face" type situation just kicked a hornets nest. If the proposal passes, I'm guessing that the perception is going to be that open carry resulted in their rights being restricted, and gave the antis another victory.
Is there anything constructive to be learned? What should the open carry community be communicating to the rest of the gun culture to avoid giving the antis this wedge?
Exactly. As I said before anything less than this measure simply going away is a new infringement where none existed before. That is a FAILURE for our side.
I'm Forrest. It's in my signature. Shane's the other one.
Divisive rancor? This has changed from an attack on gun rights in general to an attack specifically on OC, which has always been Skolnik's agenda. You said that OC was in all your talks with city hall, but I only see CC being preserved in the new wording.
Don't kid yourself. OC is not Skolnik's only agenda. He's just taking baby steps. If he wins the regulation of OC today, tomorrow he'll make the argument that "we have the right to regulate firearms granted by the state, yet we can't regulate the most dangerous type of firearms, CC firearms, so we should force the state to allow us to regulate these most dangerous of firearms which is the way criminals prefer to carry their firearms."
I don't think he has a chance of winning this fight, and we will show up in force again to oppose it. I also don't think anything we say is going to deter him from making this meaningless "resolution" to the state. The more that show up in opposition will just further show his disregard and derelict of his own job of representing his constituents who so vehemently oppose this regulation, and his job of and upholding the constitution which he disregards as an antiquated document that doesn't hold weight in todays society.
...or the NRA threw you under the bus.
I think you are giving the council way too much credit.
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