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    Open Carry in Car

    I let my CWP lapse and went down to Thurston County Sheriff's office to renew earlier this week. That being said can I open carry in my car loaded? Doesn't it say something about having the weapon seperate from the ammo when traveling in the car? Please advise.

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    RCW 9.41.290 A person may carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle only if they have a valid cpl. Those without a valid cpl may carry a firearm in a vehicle only if the firearm is unloaded and not concealed in any way on the body.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/at...5&d=1280151535
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    Quote Originally Posted by mparramore View Post
    RCW 9.41.290 A person may carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle only if they have a valid cpl. Those without a valid cpl may carry a firearm in a vehicle only if the firearm is unloaded and not concealed in any way on the body.
    The above is correct, it can not be concealed in any way on the body.

    Therefore......(drum roll please)

    OCDO suggests...

    You remove the round from the chamber and magazine from the gun. Duct tape the magazine to the grip and duct tape them all to your forehead. That would be legal, unloaded and in plain view.
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    That being said can I open carry in my car loaded?
    Short answer....No.

    Longer answer

    (2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.050

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    Thanks. I carried unloaded last night because I suspected as much. You guys have come through again. Thanks!

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    Now go and renew!!!
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    Scenario: Cop pulls me over for traffic infraction. I inform him that I am open carrying out of courtesy (dont know if I am legally obliged to do so). He asks if I have a CPL. I say , "No" At that point does he have a right to remove my firearm to see if I am in compliance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovenox View Post
    Scenario: Cop pulls me over for traffic infraction. I inform him that I am open carrying out of courtesy (dont know if I am legally obliged to do so). He asks if I have a CPL. I say , "No" At that point does he have a right to remove my firearm to see if I am in compliance?
    I personally would not inform him. Having anything in your car, including a firearm, has nothing to do with a traffic infraction. If, and it would be rare, you are asked to step out of the car then I would inform the officer. Furthermore, I find that very few officers ask if you have a CPL while driving. Even if asked if you have any weapons in the car, you are not obligated to respond. However, out of courtesy you might respond. And yes, as to officer safety, an officer may temporarily disarm someone.

    Also, I suggest you do NOT admit to speeding or any other traffic violation.
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    And don't be wearing your Hornady Tap baseball cap when you get pulled over. They noticed the cap before they noticed the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    I personally would not inform him. Having anything in your car, including a firearm, has nothing to do with a traffic infraction. If, and it would be rare, you are asked to step out of the car then I would inform the officer. Furthermore, I find that very few officers ask if you have a CPL while driving. Even if asked if you have any weapons in the car, you are not obligated to respond. However, out of courtesy you might respond. And yes, as to officer safety, an officer may temporarily disarm someone.

    Also, I suggest you do NOT admit to speeding or any other traffic violation.
    I might even go so far as after being invited to step out of my truck, to lock the door and close it after exiting and leave the keys inside and take my phone....if he wants to search it, he needs a warrant.....after its all sorted, I call the special number on my speed dial and they unlock it somehow from space....and I'm on my way.

    gee, maybe Squeak is right?
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    Different Scenario

    According to you guys I dont have to answer as to whether I have a weapon or not, correct? But my CPL card says that I have to show it upon demand. How will the officer know if I have a CPL if I dont answer if I am CC'ing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovenox View Post
    Different Scenario

    According to you guys I dont have to answer as to whether I have a weapon or not, correct? But my CPL card says that I have to show it upon demand. How will the officer know if I have a CPL if I dont answer if I am CC'ing?
    I think you answered your own question....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mparramore View Post
    RCW 9.41.290 A person may carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle only if they have a valid cpl. Those without a valid cpl may carry a firearm in a vehicle only if the firearm is unloaded and not concealed in any way on the body.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/at...5&d=1280151535
    Perhaps it would be best to substitute the word "handgun" for the term firearm in your description. Only handguns can be carried in a vehicle while loaded. Long guns (rifles, shotguns) can never be carried in vehicles while loaded. "Firearms" is usually construed to mean both handgun and long gun.
    Last edited by amlevin; 09-30-2010 at 04:31 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    I think you answered your own question....

    I thought I did but isnt it self-binding ? Meaning if you dont originally inform the officer then no step # 2? Should that be re-revisited as a statue? It just doesnt make sense.

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    I've already been yelled at for the way I handled this, so don't bother...
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    Last "traffic stop" for me was a young cop all puffed up and playing big man griping at me for not backing off and letting him cut in front of me when his traffic lane ended after he had ample warning that "lane ends."

    When he finally got around to asking if there was anything in the car he should be aware of I said "Two loaded pistols, condition one."

    After turning pale and looking like he wanted to pee himself I finally got him to look in his hand and my DL and CPL, which I had handed him when he asked for ID earlier.

    He looked, handed them back, and told me to have a nice day.

    YMMV...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomas View Post
    i've already been yelled at for the way i handled this, so don't bother...
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    last "traffic stop" for me was a young cop all puffed up and playing big man griping at me for not backing off and letting him cut in front of me when his traffic lane ended after he had ample warning that "lane ends."

    when he finally got around to asking if there was anything in the car he should be aware of i said "two loaded pistols, condition one."

    after turning pale and looking like he wanted to pee himself i finally got him to look in his hand and my dl and cpl, which i had handed him when he asked for id earlier.

    He looked, handed them back, and told me to have a nice day.

    Ymmv...
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    I'd simply answer "There are no illegal weapons in my vehicle." if asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .45ACPaddy View Post
    I'd simply answer "There are no illegal weapons in my vehicle." if asked.
    Good one.

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    I don't inform officers I am carrying just like I don't inform them I am recording or carrying the latest book I am reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I don't inform officers I am carrying just like I don't inform them I am recording or carrying the latest book I am reading.
    Now you understand if you are carrying the Qua'ran or the Bible or any other religious book....YOU MUST inform them immediately! Or you will be in violation.....

    Oh Wait! I was thinking of a different time and a different country.....

    never mind.... same here!
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