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    Governors race?

    Anyone know Snyder's views on the 2nd Amendment? I know the NRA rated Bernero an "F", so I guess Snyder can't be any worse than that. That's the one race I'm not 100% set on yet, the gun issue will decide it.

    Fortunately for me, both state representative candidates are NRA "A" rated, the state senate has one "A+" and one "A" rated, and the U.S. House district race, both are "A" rated (one is rated "A" by GOA, the other didn't respond). Kind of hard to vote against gun rights with politicians like that

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    I don't trust their rating system. If you're republican +2 points, if you're democrat -2 points, if you're Libertarian ????

    They seem to be more about the party than the candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    I don't trust their rating system. If you're republican +2 points, if you're democrat -2 points, if you're Libertarian ????

    They seem to be more about the party than the candidate.
    This is not the case anymore. Some of the biggest 2A supporters are Democrats, ie Joel Sheltrown, 103 district. Then you have republicans like L. Brooks Patterson who act like idiots in speaking about gun owners. Do the research. Do not rely on party affiliation alone. It may come back to bite you.
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    Check his website. His 2A stance is there. I'd link it, but posting via phone atm. Rick is pro-2A, and pro carry 'with license' This means to me that either he believes all should have licenses to carry, or he isn't familiar with the fact that you can OC without a CPL. I'm going to go with the latter of the two because there's still a lot of carry misconceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    Check his website. His 2A stance is there. I'd link it, but posting via phone atm. Rick is pro-2A, and pro carry 'with license' This means to me that either he believes all should have licenses to carry, or he isn't familiar with the fact that you can OC without a CPL. I'm going to go with the latter of the two because there's still a lot of carry misconceptions.

    "Rick is pro-2A, and pro carry 'with license' "....Somewhat oxymoronic. If he were truly pro-2A, all forms of carry would be supported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    "Rick is pro-2A, and pro carry 'with license' "....Somewhat oxymoronic. If he were truly pro-2A, all forms of carry would be supported.
    I agree. I usually don't like looking at a politicians website because they only tell you what you want to hear. For example, remember when Hilary was stating the Obama was to extreme on guns, and that she would protect gun rights? Or in '92 when Bill Clinton said he was for gun rights? I'd rather look at their past performance, but in some cases, like with Snyder, that can't be done.

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    In the private sector every employer has a certain number of days that is considered a "probationary" period for new employees. If the new employee doesn't measure up before the end of that probationary period they are let go because they aren't right for the job... and a another new employee is hired.

    It is past time this same process is applied to ALL elected officials regardless of the level of government .... Every elected official from dog catcher to President should have their job performance reviewed at a... for example... 5 month date after election. Don't measure up? Yer fired! And we will elect another one.

    Expensive to go through all those elections? Yes. Pain in the arse to get people out to vote for all those elections? Yes.

    Electing someone who can actually do the job (like read the damn bill before voting on it!).... absolutely priceless.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    "Rick is pro-2A, and pro carry 'with license' "....Somewhat oxymoronic. If he were truly pro-2A, all forms of carry would be supported.
    Before the primary I emailed him to ask for clarification on this very subject. I'm still waiting for a reply.

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    I have been absolutely amazed at how little this group seems to care about the upcoming elections. We will have a new AG that could drastically affect gun laws in the state based only on their opinion, including eliminating recipriocity, carrying more than 1 gun, and other opinions that have went in our favor.

    We are also voting for SOS, something that could affect how our CPL's are handled. No one on here really seems interested in even discussing those for some reason.

    As far as the Gov race I believe that Snyder is the best choice for 2A rights, but the fact that bernero is owned by the unions and only represents their special interests is what really puts me off on him.


    Now i'm sure someone like the kyleitunes guy that keeps posting anti-2 party rhetoric will tell me how corrupt the 2 party system is and don't vote for either, but I don't buy that garbage. If we just sit back and let the rest of the population decide things we may be in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detroit_fan View Post
    I have been absolutely amazed at how little this group seems to care about the upcoming elections. We will have a new AG that could drastically affect gun laws in the state based only on their opinion, including eliminating recipriocity, carrying more than 1 gun, and other opinions that have went in our favor.

    We are also voting for SOS, something that could affect how our CPL's are handled. No one on here really seems interested in even discussing those for some reason.
    I agree, it has been quiet regarding the election. Like I said, I'm fortunate enough that candidates in my state house, state senate, and U.S. house districts are all A or A+ rated by the NRA. Though Snyder has a "?", which means he never answered their questionnaire, which makes me wonder why, but I guess since Bernero got an "F", I'll have to go with Snyder and take a gamble..after all, he can't be worse the Bernero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
    I agree. I usually don't like looking at a politicians website because they only tell you what you want to hear. For example, remember when Hilary was stating the Obama was to extreme on guns, and that she would protect gun rights? Or in '92 when Bill Clinton said he was for gun rights? I'd rather look at their past performance, but in some cases, like with Snyder, that can't be done.
    That's why it is always important to define your terms... (actually step one in any logical argument). I'm sure that someone somewhere was taken-in by the Clintons' "we are for gun rights" statements. However, in looking at their definition of "gun rights" or Snyder's definition of being "pro-2A" or, even the police chief's statement in other thread about Berkley trying to change the gun laws, where he states that he supports "a person's 2nd Amendment, constitutional rights"; my definition of all these things is VERY different than theirs.
    Giving up our liberties for safety is the one sure way to let the violent among us win.

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    Check out Stacey Mathia at www.staceymathia2010.com. She was at the Warren OC picnic back in July i believe it was. She is definetly pro 2A.
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    For Fred Upton's seat in the 6th District for the US Congress look at Mel Valkner. I came across him doing some study yesterday. He has a webpage at the common man dot org I have never met the man, nor never heard him speak but I was impressed by what I read on his page. I know, that's not the whole story.

    How Upton beat Hoogendyk is beyond me. Upton voted with the Democrats so often then had the nerve to get on the radio and said we have to stop the big spending by the Democrats. He voted with them. What a hypocrite.

    Vote all incumbents out...including your own!

    As for SOS and AG, that's a bit tougher because I haven't heard much about any of them. Anyone have any good place to find info and where they stand with 2A?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhawk View Post
    For Fred Upton's seat in the 6th District for the US Congress look at Mel Valkner. I came across him doing some study yesterday. He has a webpage at the common man dot org I have never met the man, nor never heard him speak but I was impressed by what I read on his page. I know, that's not the whole story.

    How Upton beat Hoogendyk is beyond me. Upton voted with the Democrats so often then had the nerve to get on the radio and said we have to stop the big spending by the Democrats. He voted with them. What a hypocrite.

    Vote all incumbents out...including your own!

    As for SOS and AG, that's a bit tougher because I haven't heard much about any of them. Anyone have any good place to find info and where they stand with 2A?

    Hey neighbor good to see more people in the SW joining OC! Welcome I'm with ya Upton should not have taken this one, I'm just in the 2nd dist. but am paying attention across the state and country. Again welcome to OC

    carry on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recoil88 View Post
    Check out Stacey Mathia at www.staceymathia2010.com. She was at the Warren OC picnic back in July i believe it was. She is definetly pro 2A.
    Stacy Mathia is awesome, but has absolutely zero chance at winning. She's cool, but unfortunately a no-name, and voting for her would be throwing your vote away imo. Of the two primary candidates, Rick is the clear winner.
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    Simple fact is, 2A is a VERY minor consideration for most when they or someone they directly know and love are out if a job. It's sad, but true. This dies not mean we shouldn't educate one another on various candidates positions on 2A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    She's cool, but unfortunately a no-name, and voting for her would be throwing your vote away imo.
    It's that kind of mentality that keeps "the other guy" (or woman in this case) from winning. I frequently vote for "the other guy"; you're right they don't win, but I know that I didn't choose the lesser of two evils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malignity View Post
    Stacy Mathia is awesome, but has absolutely zero chance at winning. She's cool, but unfortunately a no-name, and voting for her would be throwing your vote away imo. Of the two primary candidates, Rick is the clear winner.
    No... throwing your vote away is voting for someone whose stance on the issues is not in agreement with the people electing him/her. To paraphrase Einstein, the belief that you can continue to do things the same way and expect a different result is the definition of insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    No... throwing your vote away is voting for someone whose stance on the issues is not in agreement with the people electing him/her. To paraphrase Einstein, the belief that you can continue to do things the same way and expect a different result is the definition of insanity.
    +1
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    I will vote 3rd party libertarian in local elections, but for the gov race i'm smart enough to know that if i do that i will be letting others decide my 2A rights. Bernero is not supportive of 2A, so not voting for Snyder will only increase Bernero's chances of winning, and there is no way i'm willing to do that. Snyder may not be a 2A champion, but he has stated he is in favor of carry and ownership, thats more than Bernero can say.

    We(2A supporters) didn't come together in the primary and that's why we have Snyder, lets not make the same mistake in the general election and end up with bernero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detroit_fan View Post
    I will vote 3rd party libertarian in local elections, but for the gov race i'm smart enough to know that if i do that i will be letting others decide my 2A rights. Bernero is not supportive of 2A, so not voting for Snyder will only increase Bernero's chances of winning, and there is no way i'm willing to do that. Snyder may not be a 2A champion, but he has stated he is in favor of carry and ownership, thats more than Bernero can say.

    We(2A supporters) didn't come together in the primary and that's why we have Snyder, lets not make the same mistake in the general election and end up with bernero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by detroit_fan View Post
    I will vote 3rd party libertarian in local elections, but for the gov race i'm smart enough to know that if i do that i will be letting others decide my 2A rights. Bernero is not supportive of 2A, so not voting for Snyder will only increase Bernero's chances of winning, and there is no way i'm willing to do that. Snyder may not be a 2A champion, but he has stated he is in favor of carry and ownership, thats more than Bernero can say.

    We(2A supporters) didn't come together in the primary and that's why we have Snyder, lets not make the same mistake in the general election and end up with bernero.
    It's not that we didn't come together, it's that we all have differing concerns, of which 2A may or may not be primary.

    Being a Libertarian, I didn't find that Mike Cox was best for me. For that matter, I couldn't find out anything about Mike Cox on election day as his website was down when I went to look at it after work!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bearhawk View Post
    For Fred Upton's seat in the 6th District for the US Congress look at Mel Valkner. I came across him doing some study yesterday. He has a webpage at the common man dot org I have never met the man, nor never heard him speak but I was impressed by what I read on his page. I know, that's not the whole story.

    How Upton beat Hoogendyk is beyond me. Upton voted with the Democrats so often then had the nerve to get on the radio and said we have to stop the big spending by the Democrats. He voted with them. What a hypocrite.

    Vote all incumbents out...including your own!

    As for SOS and AG, that's a bit tougher because I haven't heard much about any of them. Anyone have any good place to find info and where they stand with 2A?
    Fortunately, all my reps are term limited, and Stupak (U.S. house) isn't running again, so I can't vote for an incumbent, even if I wanted to

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    well the uaw is with benero, poor choice.. i will probably be voteing for the other guy.

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