Captain Nemo
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Are you people serious? GET REAL. Alcohol and gunpowder is a lethal combination.
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Guns allowed in bars in the news
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KBCraig
Regular Member
The topic is not about drinking and carrying. The topic is whether or not the state should place entire venues and businesses off limits to someone who is carrying, even if they're not drinking.
The answer: of course they shouldn't. Employees, designated drivers, contractors (delivery people, band members, etc.) should not be disarmed just because some people there are going to get drunk and stupid. Scratch that -- they should not be disarmed especially because some people there are going to get drunk and stupid.
I don't go out and drink, but I do quaff a brew or two sometimes, while I'm safely at home. I suppose I could unload and lock away all the guns, but why? It's not like I'm going to forget where they are, where the ammo is, or the combination to the safe. And if there is justification to use a gun in defense of my self or my family or my home, I will do so, no matter what I've had to drink.
Edit to add: I found it curious that the NYT is covering this. There are only 7 states that still ban carry where alcohol is served. New York has never banned the practice.
The answer: of course they shouldn't. Employees, designated drivers, contractors (delivery people, band members, etc.) should not be disarmed just because some people there are going to get drunk and stupid. Scratch that -- they should not be disarmed especially because some people there are going to get drunk and stupid.
I don't go out and drink, but I do quaff a brew or two sometimes, while I'm safely at home. I suppose I could unload and lock away all the guns, but why? It's not like I'm going to forget where they are, where the ammo is, or the combination to the safe. And if there is justification to use a gun in defense of my self or my family or my home, I will do so, no matter what I've had to drink.
Edit to add: I found it curious that the NYT is covering this. There are only 7 states that still ban carry where alcohol is served. New York has never banned the practice.
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Springfielddx40
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Captain Nemo
Regular Member
Mentaly impaired is mentaly impaired. Doesn't matter if it is a permanent condition or a temporary one brought on by alcohol and/or drugs. If you are so concerned about your rights to protect yourself when not responsible for your actions then leave your handguns at home and carry a rifle or shotgun to the bar. Nothing is a better defensive weapon than a 12gauge shotgun full of 00 buckshot. In Wisconsin only handguns are prohibited in bars without owner permission. Shotguns and rifles are lawful. Of course you may find out why certain security people are called "bouncers". Just walk in and lay your shotgun on the bar and declare it is there as your constitutional right to provide for your own personal protection and say "gimme a beer".
Do you have any case law or statute that says this?
You buying?
Here's the truth, when I was in IN, I went to the bar CC and drank. Guess what, there were no gun fights, my firearm never jumped out and started shooting everyone, I never landed in jail, etc, etc. All those who says people who consume alcohol and carry are irresponsible, well guess what, gun owners ARE RESPONSIBLE! You sound just like all those people who say allowing people to carry will lead to "blood in the street!" Guess what, it hasn't happened. If it has, prove it!
MKEgal
Regular Member
Under current WI law, that's legal. See 941.237(3)(g).
Just put a sign at the door saying something like "citizens legally carrying firearms are welcome for the duration of their visit, which must conclude by 2AM".
Satisfies the requirement that permission must be given, and only for a specified period of time.
I'd like to see added: "If you're carrying a firearm, we will only serve you one alcoholic drink per business day."
I prefer that carriers not drink, but ONE isn't going to make anyone drunk or lose control. Have a beer with your sandwich & fries.
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XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX
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And are they gonna give you a daily stamp to keep you from going into another bar for another "alcoholic drink per business day" ?
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XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX
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1st it's hard to prove something when to this point no one really does.
2nd i'm happy you were able to drink responsibley.
I just do not see how anyone can say that having a gun on your person while gettin drunk is sensible. Again perhaps you should have the right to protect yourself if your drunk, but you simply are not going to have the ability to protect yourself. Think about it.
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No legal at a bar in this state but perfectly legal to do at a private residence!
How do you not understand that drinking =! drunk?
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XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX
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lol, why does no one take the time to READ
"while gettin drunk" "if your drunk"
never have i said while drinking, while getting drunk which means WITH INTENT TO GET DRUNK
again "IMHO" you should not drink at all, who's to say how many drinks is appropriate, EVERYONE has a different tollerance level.
Guns in bars while not drinking = fine imho
Guns in bar while drinking = me staying a minimum of 1/2 mile from any bar.
Guns on hip at home while drinking = your choice
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J.Gleason
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hardballer
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I agree with Cap. 1 drink is impaired. 2 drinks is legally drunk. End of story. There is no argument. Same for driving.
If you are going to carry, have the responsibility to stay sober.
If you kill a goblin, they can't use the, he was impaired or drunk argument on you. As far as that goes, if you were drinking, how do you prove, after the fact, that you were not drunk or impaired or for that matter, that you only had one drink. You gonna rely on the bartender's story. Who keeps count. Who could be your witness. No, I think he was drunk Your Honor. He just whipped that gun out and started shooting. Acted like a wild-man.
There goes your freedom, your life, your family, your money, etc. just because you were either [strike]stupid[/strike] ignorant enough or [strike]arrogant[/strike] self-important enough to drink and carry. Just the fact that a person thinks it is OK gives me pause and causes me to re-evaluate being around that person in social situations.
I have zero tolerance for drunks of any kind and especially for those stupid enough to drink and drive... or carry. If you just have to have a drink, I would reconsider carry.
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MKEgal
Regular Member
I couldn't control what other bars do, but yes, if it were my bar I'd stamp a hand when someone bought a drink, & use day stamps (MON, TUE, WED, etc.) to make it clear when they'd bought their drink. (Using the day the bar opened, carrying over into the 2 hours of early the next day.)
Maybe that stamp would give the carrier cheap pop/soda for the rest of the evening?
(Added the next morning...) And maybe without that stamp they get free pop? or use an X for people who pledge not to have alcohol, and that gives them some amount off their food... ? All sorts of possibilities. A gun stamp if they come in with a gun, then the day or "X" stamp.
Besides, how many bars would be willing to allow OC? (they already can't control CC)
For most adults, going to a bar is not for getting what's called $hit-faced drunk & losing control, it's for seeing friends, maybe shooting pool, watching a sports game. As someone else pointed out, if a person is still in the immature drink-till-I-don't-remember-what-I-did phase, they're not responsible enough to carry anyway.
Most adults have self-control, and understand that alcohol & guns are a bad mix, so wouldn't drink at all, or wouldn't want more than the one beer w/ their dinner, or a whiskey to sip while shooting pool. One drink does not equal drunk, and for some people it doesn't even equal impaired (esp. if it's during the course of a pool game, or with food).
But to get back to the original topic of the post, no, people should not be prevented from freely associating with whomever they choose, and going wherever they choose, simply because they're exercising another right at the same time.
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Spartacus
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So you were lying when you said you had me on ignore, right? I mean this is the second time you've popped out like cute little mouse and tried to bite me on the ass.
You are a cop, right Gleason? You like the idea of armed drunks in bars?
Spartacus
Banned
You don't get out too much do you? I spend quite a bit of time in other states, the trip before last in AZ and I recall at least two gunfights in casinos and bars involving rival gangs. Another in Tucson where a guy walked into a place, shot another guy in the head and walked out. No one knew who he was or why he shot him.
The Don
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No need to belittle how much he does or does not travel. Yes, the tone of that statement is belittling.
So you're saying criminals engaged in criminal activity? How is that relevant to non-criminals lawfully carrying and not engaging in any criminal activity?
Spartacus
Banned
Would you stop sounding like my mother please?
Those are just the ones I remember. There are a LOT of incidents involving gun violence while under the influence and to say it doesn't happen like Protias did is simply ignorant.
Spartacus
Banned
Totally agree HB. Nice post.
The Don
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I'm not trying to sound like your mother or get into an argument with you, I just thought rather than report your post, I'd tell you that the belittlement wasn't necessary.
My point was that specific example wasn't all that effective a way to illustrate your point since it was about criminals and not legal carriers.
For what it's worth, I don't think people should carry while drinking. I do, however, think people should be able to carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol provided they're not drinking. I don't drink, and I'd love to be able to carry in Buffalo Wild Wings, but since they serve alcohol, that's problematic.
Believe it or not, I think you and I are mostly in agreement on this one, but if I'm wrong on that, please let me know.
J.Gleason
Banned
You must have a problem remembering things. Sometimers or Alzheimer's, whatever it is I will say this again, I do not lie. No need for it and it only comes back to bite you in the arse.
Again, I will try to explain this too you nice and slowwwww. If you are not logged in....you got that part?
Then the ignore feature does not work.....understand that now? or do I need to draw a picture for you?
I am Law enforcement and I do not have an issue with anyone carrying a firearm for self defense. I believe that most people who carry have the common sense to control how much they drink or at least disarm if they know they are going to party til the sun comes up. But we must also keep in mind that just because someone goes to a bar it does not mean they consume alcohol. Some old guys that ride bicycles are pedophiles. It doesn't mean that all old guys that ride bicycles are pedophiles. The one thing I would recommend is that if you are going to carry in a bar, do it ccw. That is not legal advice, just my opinion.