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    Sheriff's deputy mistakenly fires eight shots at robbery victim, misses

    WEST HOLLYWOOD -- A sheriff's deputy fired eight shots at a man he believed to have just robbed a West Hollywood liquor store early Sunday, but his target turned out to be the just-robbed clerk, and the actual suspects got away.

    The deputy-involved shooting occurred around 2 a.m. near Havenhurst Drive and Santa Monica Boulevard, said Deputy Lillian Peck of the Sheriff's Headquarters Bureau.

    “Deputies responded to a robbery call of a liquor store in the 8200 block of Santa Monica Boulevard,'' Peck said. “The call indicated the suspects were armed with a handgun.''

    Peck said one of the deputies “saw a man matching one of the suspects' description run from the area of the liquor store, holding what he believed to be a gun, and a deputy-involved shooting occurred.'' The man was not hit.

    “The man was detained by deputies and was determined not to be a suspect,'' Peck said.

    Lt. Alicia Ault told the WeHo News website a single deputy fired eight rounds at the man, who turned out to be the store clerk.

    “The deputy fired eight rounds and missed him,'' Ault told WeHo News. “Ultimately, deputies determined that the man the deputy fired upon was the store's clerk who was pointing to them trying to get their attention.''

    The two suspects were described only as a black man armed with a handgun and a black woman. Both suspects were last seen running southbound on Havenhurst Drive.

    Windows at a store across the street from the robbery site were blown out by the gunfire.

    http://www.laindependent.com/news/lo...104253944.html

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    “It is believed that many in the community do not like guns, nor desire to have their children exposed to guns, except for their local police force, which undergoes hundreds of hours of training,” Uyeda said.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...g-of-the-FACTS

    Really Mr. Uyeda? Really? I really don't believe cops go through hundreds of hours of firearms training in an entire lifetime.

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    and the deputy is still on the job why exactly? Anyone that trigger happy does not need to be near a gun.

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    I wish everyone in the "only cops are trained to carry guns" crowd would see this and burn it itno their minds!!!

    This IS the point. We are asking a HUMAN to respond to a scene where DEATH is ready to strike. I am upset about what happend BUT it's OUR fault!!

    The way I see it a civilian with a gun would have been a better solution. An armed civilian (A) would have been on scene to see the crime. (B) would have a much faster response time. (C) and statistically speaking would have had more gun training*. It is our job to protect and serve each other. And untill we change this reckless path back to that direction it will only get worse.

    * please read GUN FACTS. Find it at google search gunfacts(dot)info

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    [QUOTE=chewy352;1370919]WEST HOLLYWOOD -- A sheriff's deputy fired eight shots at a man he believed to have just robbed a West Hollywood liquor store early Sunday, but his target turned out to be the just-robbed clerk, and the actual suspects got away.

    Peck said one of the deputies “saw a man matching one of the suspects' description run from the area of the liquor store, holding what he believed to be a gun, and a deputy-involved shooting occurred.'' The man was not hit.



    Translation: Cop saw something in the dark and started shooting. He missed 8 times. And this after hundreds of hours training.

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    So many things wrong with this situation. Thanks for posting this chewy.

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    "Hundreds of hours of training" doesn't stop a moron from being a moron. Only solution: stricter gun laws in the Workers Paradise of Kalifornia. Only well trained cops should have guns.
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    What do you not undertstand.

    100's of hours of training. HE MISSED HIS TARGET, INNOCENT STILL ALIVE. ie training paid off.

    -p

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    Fired 8 rds, and missed the clerk. Windows blown out across the street. This is most epic fail I ever heard of. This clown shouldn't have a gun or a badge.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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    I'm waiting for the press release about this officer's "training".

    "The Sheriff's Department, aware of the trigger happy tendencies of this particular officer, decided to chance his continuing employment based on his consistent inability to hit squat with his weapon".

    I wonder what kind of glass claims the department has faced during this officer's career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoCon View Post
    What do you not undertstand.

    100's of hours of training. HE MISSED HIS TARGET, INNOCENT STILL ALIVE. ie training paid off.

    -p
    You're right. He should get a commendation. Maybe a letter from president hussein, even.

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    I want to know if the ammo used in this situation was dept issued or did the deputy supply his own?

    What brand/type? Price doesn't matter--- AS THE AMMO KNEW IMMEDIATELY THAT THE PERSON THE AMMO WAS SENT TOWARD WAS INNOCENT AND THEREFORE ALTERED THEIR TRAJECTORY TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT.

    I think this is ammunition we should all have and want-- NO MATTER THE COST!


    To all readers... the above is SARCASM!
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    Hmmmmmm... This time the fact that most SoCal LEO seem as though they couldn't hit a barn if they were standing inside it was a good thing. The innocent escaped the LEO's armed assault unscathed.

    This officer should NOT be an officer and should NOT be allowed to carry a firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gundude View Post
    Fired 8 rds, and missed the clerk. Windows blown out across the street. This is most epic fail I ever heard of. This clown shouldn't have a gun or a badge.
    On a similar note I read (this happened years ago so I don't have a link) an article in the Sac Bee that Sacramento PD (most likely swat) raided a local house where shots were fired. They shot 22 rounds or more and struck the subject only three times. Now albeit this was a totally different situation, but would you trust your life to a single police officer in this area if multiple ones cannot hit the target?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    wouldnt it be nice if the general civilian population was held to the same standards as police ?

    "Well officer, I saw a guy and he pointed his finger so I shot him"
    You can never tell whether or not the perp is pointing a loaded finger at you.

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    Were I not trained and practiced, I would hazard a guess that the officer had his eyes closed. However, since he's had "100's of hours of training" he should have been able to at least get one round on target with his eyes closed. I know I can do 10 of 10 at 5 yards, 8 of 10 at 10 yards, and 5 of 10 at 15 yards into a doorway sized target (and not use the whole darn thing) WITH MY FREAKIN EYES CLOSED, while facing 90 degrees to the target, strong side towards the target.....draw point squeeze (repeat last step 10 times).

    Usually this is demonstrated to people who seem to think you have to be facing the assailant in a weaver stance before you can return fire.

    Now that I have my FN 5.7 I think I'll go try this with the 21 round capacity.....oh wait, it's deer season.....no recreational shooting on my range until I bag mine.......they're both (range and deer) in my back yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewy352 View Post

    Really Mr. Uyeda? Really? I really don't believe cops go through hundreds of hours of firearms training in an entire lifetime.
    80 hours academy, then maybe 8 hrs training/qualification time* every quarter on paper. How much of that is 'on task' is debatable. Very little to none is practical high stress combat style training.

    Some barely qualify, most are mediocre... Some of us like shooting and do seek training out side of work.

    *varies based on dept. policy & budget issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    80 hours academy, then maybe 8 hrs training/qualification time* every quarter on paper. How much of that is 'on task' is debatable. Very little to none is practical high stress combat style training.

    Some barely qualify, most are mediocre... Some of us like shooting and do seek training out side of work.

    *varies based on dept. policy & budget issues
    Maybe they're using the gun video simulators! LOL

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    I suspect he had the biggest adrenaline rush of his life.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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    It may be different now, but when I went through my pc832 coarse we only had to hit the black of a body silhouette target 800 times out of a possible 1000 rounds shot.
    strong hand,
    weak hand
    with and without barricade.
    7,10 15 and 25 yrds.

    I taught a young lady how to pass this test in one day. All we had to do it in. 1 eight hour day. From never having held a gun, to being qualified.

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    Sounds much more like PANIC to me, and nowhere near deliberate, intentional shooting. The sad thing about this is the fact that nobody was shooting at him...he just lost it, for whatever reason.

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