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    Who needs a gun for Self Defense in Greenville NC?

    http://www.witn.com/news/headlines/104252058.html

    http://www.witn.com/crime/headlines/103955118.html

    http://www.witn.com/crime/headlines/103200319.html

    http://www.witn.com/crime/headlines/103488364.html

    http://www.witn.com/crime/headlines/103727369.html

    http://www.witn.com/crime/headlines/103295549.html


    I don't mean nothing by this, I'm just sayin'...

    Oh, BTW, the Mayor of Greenville, Pat Dunn is a member of "Mayors Against Illegal Guns":

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....mbers.shtml#NC

    the infamous anti-gun propaganda group set up by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (New York, NY)...

    'nuff sed...


    So, how IS that "gun control" thing working out for ya, Pat?
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    Thank you for the info and updates. As a resident of the nearby city of New Bern, NC, I see and hear the reports of crime in G'ville. I can see why the students there feel a need to be able to protect themselves. I started CC almost 2 years ago, and just recently began to OC. Whenever in G'ville, always. No negative encounters thus far.

    Thank you Dreamer for posting the links.

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    damn you had me excited that you were selling......

    on a side note on pat dunn, she taught me health at ECU in about 94

    and as far as needing a gun in greenville if i'm going to be out between 930pm and 6am i am ALWAYS armed (even if i'm throwing out the garbage at midnight)
    GO PIRATES!!!!!

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    I just got back from running around town doing a couple things. Carried a gun with me everywhere I went, and no encounters. I carry whenever I'm off ECU campus, even at home.
    Taurus PT1911 .45 ACP. Carried in condition 1, with a total of 25 rounds.

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    This guy is an embarrassment. Hopefully he gets permanently expelled...

    http://www.witn.com/crime/headlines/...105030174.html


    But you have to wonder how this story would have read if one or both of these young woman had been OCing. Most likely, there would have never even been confrontation in the first place...

    Those famous words engraved on an Old West Colt "Peacemaker" come to mind:

    Be not afraid of any man
    No matter what his size

    If ever in fear, just call on me

    And I will equalize
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    This guy is an embarrassment. Hopefully he gets permanently expelled...

    http://www.witn.com/crime/headlines/...105030174.html


    But you have to wonder how this story would have read if one or both of these young woman had been OCing. Most likely, there would have never even been confrontation in the first place...

    Those famous words engraved on an Old West Colt "Peacemaker" come to mind:
    You know, after seeing multiple news stories containing issues on campus or involving students, I am fairly certain 50% - 75% of problems could be avoided by not being out after midnight. Nothin' good goes on after midnight! Also, instead of escalating the situation, the women could have simply walked away and ignored the comments. We might only know half the story; the news has a bad habit of only providing part of what happened.

    I do believe that if the guy had seen a firearm being OC'd, he would have left them alone. I know I wouldn't want to pick a fight with someone carrying a pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    You know, after seeing multiple news stories containing issues on campus or involving students, I am fairly certain 50% - 75% of problems could be avoided by not being out after midnight.
    Although I generally agree, this incident happened ON CAMPUS. When I was an undergrad, there were a LOT of times I was out walking around after midnight--late hours in the labs or studios, VERY late study sessions, hanging out with friends late at night, and yes, the occasional party.

    Late-night life is part of the college experience. On campus, (or ANYWHERE in a civilized society) there should be NO reason to fear for your life just because you are walking from a building to your car after midnight. To insinuate that the time of day somehow contributes to some sort of negligence or culpability on the part of the victim is just downright offensive...

    First off, the girl who was most badly beaten (she had to get metal plates put in her jaw!) was NOT out by herself--she was with a group of friends.

    http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3324/jen1015101.jpg

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    Second, they weren't just wandering around the streets of Greenville late at night--this attack happened right outside of a dorm ON CAMPUS.

    And third, the reports are that this guy and a bunch of his friends assaulted these young women because he thought the were gay. They were verbally attacked, spit upon, and then beaten--because this punk thought they didn't like boys. That is just SICK...


    If this had been one of my daughters, there may well have been a VERY different outcome to the story. I'd like to think that they could handle themselves better--that the pepper spray, car keys, kicking, running, or other defensive training I've given them would "kick in"...

    Personally, I hope this punk and his hateful cronies get the book thrown at them. Hate Crime? Nope, not in NC--our "Sex Crimes" statute does not include sexual preference as a "protected class", so the whole "hate crime" thing is going to be nearly impossible for the DA to make stick. But here in NC we do have "assault on a female" which is a few steps up on the violation list from "simple assault".

    Any male who would spit on and severely beat a woman because of something he THOUGHT she did is a punk, and a dangerous one at that. He needs to be expelled from school, and put somewhere apart from civilized people for a long time. And he should consider himself lucky this wasn't my daughter...


    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    I do believe that if the guy had seen a firearm being OC'd, he would have left them alone. I know I wouldn't want to pick a fight with someone carrying a pistol.
    I agree 100%.

    That is why I'm working with several people to get an SCCC chapter started at ECU, and why our first public activity is going to be a "Range Day".

    I've already personally invited about half a dozen women from campus to come. Hopefully a few will show up!

    I OC all the time when I'm in Greenville--day or night (but NEVER when I'm on campus. of course). I think the State and Federal laws that prohibit lawful carry (OC or CC) on campus are evil, offensive, and unconstitutional infringements on my fundamental human rights and a potential threat to my safety, but it IS the law in NC, so I reluctantly abide by them. I never carry on campus and I never bring my vehicle on campus unless I've left my firearm at home or some other secure, off-campus location.

    But I will do EVERYTHING I can to try and change this stupid, immoral law, and I will be putting a fair amount of my own personal time (and money) into getting as many students on-board with this program, and bringing as many "new shooters" into our "flock" as I can.

    We've got an excellent "core group" of folks in the new SCCC chapter and I have high hopes for future activities, publicity, and protest. Hopefully, we can increase the numbers of sympathetic people through future activity.

    It is my goal to be personally responsible for a MASSIVE increase in the number of CHP's held by Grad Students and Faculty in the coming year at ECU, and I am also working on brokering a deal with a major pepper spray manufacturer so that maybe we can distribute pepper spray to women on campus next semester.
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    I guess I don't have much of a life besides school and work, haha. I'm never really out after midnight unless I get off work late (rare). And I live off campus in Winterville, so I don't see much crime out here. I too always open carry in Greenville, unless it's raining or a restaurant serving alcohol.

    What do you suggest for protection on campus? As of right now, I don't carry anything for protection on campus. I don't really feel unsafe during the day, but I do have a night lab one day a week. You just never know! I've been looking at getting a Surefire defense flashlight. http://www.surefire.com/6PDL Hitting a bg in the head with the front of that light would sure hurt. Plus, it's always good to have a flashlight beside the bed at night. Although I'm not sure spending over $100 on a flashlight is wise. The defensive pens are a good idea too, but they are also expensive.

    Edit: Also, there is a group on campus called Voices for Victims. I'm not quite sure what their group is all about, but maybe they would be interested in the range day. Also, ECU has these programs: http://www.ecu.edu/studentlife/police/rad.cfm Maybe we could find out some way who is taking those classes and ask them if they would be interested in learning about firearms and let them know about NRA classes, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattwestm View Post
    \Also, ECU has these programs: http://www.ecu.edu/studentlife/police/rad.cfm Maybe we could find out some way who is taking those classes and ask them if they would be interested in learning about firearms and let them know about NRA classes, etc.

    Thanks for that link. I'll be sure to post some Range Day flyers in the locations where those classes are being held, and maybe I'll go there and hand out flyers on the evenings of the classes...

    I'll also be contacting the "Voices for Victims" people to tell them about SCCC and our upcoming Range Day...

    I've also contacted the Campus Republicans and Young American Libertarians OrgSync groups and asked permission to do a "broadcast" notification through OrgSync to their membership about Range Day...

    SCCC still needs about 4 signatures on our form to meet the "10 members" requirement for official recognition by the School next semester. I'm working on a Faculty Advisor, so we'll see how it all pans out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post

    SCCC still needs about 4 signatures on our form to meet the "10 members" requirement for official recognition by the School next semester. I'm working on a Faculty Advisor, so we'll see how it all pans out...
    I have two that are ready and willing to sign up. I'll see if I can't get their contact info while I meet up with you tomorrow
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