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    My Neighbor Said "There Is No Need To Wear Your Gun In Your Home"

    A week or so ago I was speaking with one of my neighbors daughters (21 y.o.) and she mentioned to me that her mother said there is no reason for me to wear my gun in my home or around my home. So we (the daughter) and I got into a great discussion about "when" we should holster up and wear our guns. Now the daughter is a stout believer in carrying at all times (she wasn't last year but slowly came into the light) and is in the pipeline to become a Kenosha City police officer. I discussed home invasions with her and that where I use to live the city had quite a few home invasions from people dressed or saying they were the police. Long story short, the bottom line was "I never know when or if I will need it and I don't want to find out the hard way".

    Horrible story about a home invasion that destroyed an entire family:

    http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article..._home_invasion

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    Interesting that you cite the Conn. case- my first inclination was to ask you to remind her of that very instance. It was tough to watch that man address the media after the verdict today- I can't imagine the sense of loss he must feel.

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    That Case Is Horrible

    I have been keeping up with that case and have read everything I can find about it. I did mention that case to the young woman and that when I lived in Florida home invasions were on the NEWS every single day.

    She gets it. Her mother doesn't. Now a year ago this young lady would never have agreed with me. Interesting how her perception of reality has changed in a year.

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    Do you, OP, recall who the AG was while you lived in Goose Creek, was it Charlie Condon that made good on his promise not to prosecute any home owners for killing home invaders?
    Last edited by Doug Huffman; 10-05-2010 at 08:26 PM.

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    No need to wear a firearm in your home? Tell that to my friend in Brookfield who was home while is home was being broken into during the day earlier this year.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    No more than an arms length away...

    That Conn case is unfathomable. How does he recover from that?

    I learned the way of the gun from a retired Army Ranger. We found common ground in the 2A, the 1911 and shooting. I learned a lot. What sticks with me most days is this. He said, never be more than an arms length away from your firearm, be it a long gun or sidearm, at home or in the field.

    I have taken that advice to heart. Holster in the morn and set it beside me at night. No exception. Feels weird to have to leave it in a vehicle when entering a "Gun safe" area.

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    That Conn case is unfathomable.
    I agree.

    To have to hear your daughter and wife being beaten and assaulted.

    Not being able to do anything? That is going to haunt for life and beyond...

    Of course we need not look that far away from home nor more than a few days ago for examples why good folks should be armed at home:

    http://www.journaltimes.com/news/loc...cc4c03286.html
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    here is another one from Racine....
    http://www.journaltimes.com/news/loc...cc4c03286.html

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    Like someone says over on the Texas CHL forum: "Carry 24/7, or guess right."

    If we could choose the time and place and circumstances where we might need a gun, we would simply avoid those situations. Since we lack the gift of prescience, we must either be prepared at all times for unexpected violence, or "guess right" about when such violence might occur.

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    home invasion is home invasion. no one is exempt. random odds will probably determine if your going to be a victim. you have the chance to increase the odds in your favor. even a fool would see and appreciate that hopefully. give 'em hell Rak, give them the word!

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    These so-called "men" in Ct. are nothing more than rabid animals and need to be put down.
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    Eye for an eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    These so-called "men" in Ct. are nothing more than rabid animals and need to be put down.
    They should be given the same path to eternity that they gave their victims. Also in my opinoin their demise should be public, not at midnight in some basement room of a penitentary.

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    one could extrapolate the neighbor's comment to another rediuculous statement: there is no need to wear clothes in your home, you don't need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    one could extrapolate the neighbor's comment to another rediuculous statement: there is no need to wear clothes in your home, you don't need them.
    Some of us dont. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by TyGuy View Post
    Some of us dont. LOL
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayce2 View Post
    They should be given the same path to eternity that they gave their victims. Also in my opinoin their demise should be public, not at midnight in some basement room of a penitentary.
    I also believe that the to be true, eye for an eye. And make it public, what better way to deture a would be thug then show them what will happen. However I would feel horrible to find the wrong person lost their hand in a theft charge or the wrong person was executed

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    Hang'em High

    Quote Originally Posted by XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX View Post
    I also believe that the to be true, eye for an eye. And make it public, what better way to deture a would be thug then show them what will happen. However I would feel horrible to find the wrong person lost their hand in a theft charge or the wrong person was executed
    I did not mean to advocate amputation for a theft, that would only make a permanent disabled theif getting government checks. I do believe our legal system goes through extensive hurddles before using the death penalty. I understand that it costs more to exucute a prisoner than to lock him up for life. Still I wouldn't like a wrongful execution...but in over whelming evidence as in this case..... hang'em high

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    Sorry for not responding sooner!

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Do you, OP, recall who the AG was while you lived in Goose Creek, was it Charlie Condon that made good on his promise not to prosecute any home owners for killing home invaders?
    Doug, I didn't have the "notifications" turned on and just noticed this today. Way back then I never even knew what day it was, much less who was in the political arenas. Remember those were the days of 120 hour work weeks and "Underway On Nuclear Power" days.

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    Home Invasions Happen Every Day All Over The World.

    People feel safest in their homes. That is their "Castle" so to speak and most of us think those walls, doors, windows, etc...will stop all things evil. We know this to not be true and WE realize this. That is why many of us open carry or conceal carry (when legal) to protect ourselves and our families from evil.

    I cannot fathom how any parent can lie there and listen/watch what is happening to his/her family. Those are things from the worst horror movies ever made. With that said I NEVER want to experience that and I will always carry my firearm at all times and as Hardballer stated when I am not wearing it it WILL be close at hand...ready to go.

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    That's OK. My point is/was that AG Condon stopped the home invasions. Unfortunately his successor, McMaster?, rescinded the policy and the home invasions resumed.

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    Exclamation Wow, that is bad news!

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    That's OK. My point is/was that AG Condon stopped the home invasions. Unfortunately his successor, McMaster?, rescinded the policy and the home invasions resumed.
    The last state I lived in before moving here in 2007 was Florida. The Castle Doctrine went into law on 1 Oct, 2005 in Florida. It was extremely well received by most people but many liberals did the same thing they did in 1987 when concealed carry was passed. "Blood will run in the streets!" Same old rhetoric crap from the extreme left. It never happened.

    Does S.C. have the Castle Doctrine? I think 28 or 29 states do now and more are adding it every year!

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    SC law is crystal clear compared to WI, the Land of 10,000 Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by rcawdor57 View Post
    Does S.C. have the Castle Doctrine? I think 28 or 29 states do now and more are adding it every year!
    Speaking of which, I welcome Paul Fisher to scfirearms.org's discussion list.

    South Carolina Statutes Title 16, Chapter 11, Article 6, 16-11-410
    ARTICLE 6. PROTECTION OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY

    SECTION 16-11-410. Citation of article. [SC ST SEC 16-11-410]

    This article may be cited as the "Protection of Persons and Property Act".

    SECTION 16-11-420. Intent and findings of General Assembly. [SC ST SEC 16-11-420]

    (A) It is the intent of the General Assembly to codify the common law Castle Doctrine which recognizes that a person's home is his castle and to extend the doctrine to include an occupied vehicle and the person's place of business.

    (B) The General Assembly finds that it is proper for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others.

    (C) The General Assembly finds that Section 20, Article I of the South Carolina Constitution guarantees the right of the people to bear arms, and this right shall not be infringed.

    (D) The General Assembly finds that persons residing in or visiting this State have a right to expect to remain unmolested and safe within their homes, businesses, and vehicles.

    (E) The General Assembly finds that no person or victim of crime should be required to surrender his personal safety to a criminal, nor should a person or victim be required to needlessly retreat in the face of intrusion or attack.

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    Thumbs up Right To The Point! I Wish We Had This Nationwide!

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Speaking of which, I welcome Paul Fisher to scfirearms.org's discussion list.

    South Carolina Statutes Title 16, Chapter 11, Article 6, 16-11-410
    ARTICLE 6. PROTECTION OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY

    SECTION 16-11-410. Citation of article. [SC ST SEC 16-11-410]

    This article may be cited as the "Protection of Persons and Property Act".

    SECTION 16-11-420. Intent and findings of General Assembly. [SC ST SEC 16-11-420]

    (A) It is the intent of the General Assembly to codify the common law Castle Doctrine which recognizes that a person's home is his castle and to extend the doctrine to include an occupied vehicle and the person's place of business.

    (B) The General Assembly finds that it is proper for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others.

    (C) The General Assembly finds that Section 20, Article I of the South Carolina Constitution guarantees the right of the people to bear arms, and this right shall not be infringed.

    (D) The General Assembly finds that persons residing in or visiting this State have a right to expect to remain unmolested and safe within their homes, businesses, and vehicles.

    (E) The General Assembly finds that no person or victim of crime should be required to surrender his personal safety to a criminal, nor should a person or victim be required to needlessly retreat in the face of intrusion or attack.
    That is impressive! Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Speaking of which, I welcome Paul Fisher to scfirearms.org's discussion list.
    I am interviewing for a job in Spartanburg. We shall see.

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