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    The NRA is Helping Preserve the Anti Gun Democrat Majority. NRA may stop GOP from tak

    http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2...crat-majority/
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Horowitz
    The sick irony is that the more successful these liars are in distancing themselves from Pelosi, the more likely it will be that Pelosi will remain Speaker. Here is my previous report on the need to expose the blue dogs. Also, check out the Club for Growth’s excellent report on the lie of the conservative Democrat.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...104370898.html
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    It would be interesting to see to what degree NRA critics are upset by the bipartisan strategy generally or whether it’s more about specific objections. Does an NRA endorsement actually mean that much? All questions that might be answered next month.
    Red State MEAT for the sycophant apologists, and potatoes too!

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    Here are my thoughts on the matter, cross posted over in a thread in the Hot Topics forum:

    The NRA Debacle

    I have to admit, this has been a struggle for me. I am far from a shill for the NRA, and I even wrote them a very blunt letter a few weeks ago all but promising that my renewal was on hold until they decided on their much publicized possibility of a Reid endorsement.

    After some thought, I think our "problem" is that we have had the luxury in the past of having candidates for whom the NRA endorsement tended to correlate very highly with our other values of interest. It used to be that the NRA endorsement would also indicate that the candidates' other social, economic and moral values tended to match our own.

    In more recent times, and in what one must view as a very good development, holders of pro-gun views have expanded to include candidates that may not necessarily match our other values so closely!

    The NRA has always claimed to be a one-issue organization. And yes, they also tend to look out for themselves (DISCLOSE Act), but what competent organization doesn't? If the NRA were to suddenly start to advocate for other social or economic issues, they would undoubtedly lose support from some members, and their core message would be diluted.

    Thank goodness, the Senate had to vote on the recent SCOTUS appointments. That gave the NRA a valid excuse to not endorse Reid and the other lock-step Democrat Senators. With the House of Representatives, even though the same thing happens with the Leadership, the party-line votes are not as well publicized, so it's harder to give a concrete reason to withhold endorsement, especially in violation of a well-known incumbent-support criteria that has been in place for years.

    Like it or not, pro-gun Democrats have saved the country from the full anti-gun wrath of President Obama and his Justice Department. If the NRA were to throw those Democrats under the bus, there would be no benefit for future Democrats to even consider a pro-gun position. And that would be a disaster.

    The learning curve is on us, to evaluate candidates beyond the NRA endorsement, or lack thereof. Despite our collective passion, I suspect very few of us are truly one-issue voters. We've always had to pick candidates based on their total package. We're discovering that the NRA endorsement may not be the broad indicator that it once was.

    I think it's so important, I'll say it again: It is a huge testament to the advance of the pro-gun agenda that we have NRA-endorsed candidates with such diverse views on other issues. As hard as it is to digest, this is the best thing that could happen.

    JMHO.

    TFred

    The NRA Debacle, Part II

    In an election where the Democratic candidates are running as hard and fast as they can away from the current administration, my premise that the NRA-endorsements have typically indicated the more conservative candidate is well supported by the great pride these Democrats are taking in trumpeting these decisions. Harry Reid is all but shouting that the NRA even considered endorsing him.

    The job we (and perhaps the NRA) have to do is to make a concerted effort to educate the voters that the NRA is indeed a one-issue organization, and that candidates have a plate full of positions, which must be thoroughly evaluated before casting that vote.

    In fact, it would be a great PR campaign for the NRA to make a big deal out of this... the very fact that their one issue is ever increasingly crossing social and economic boundaries is a testament to the success of their work.

    TFred

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    If the NRA is not supporting the crazy candidates, I'm all for that. Crazy is crazy, whether left or right.

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100606329.html

    So far, 58 democrats have been NRA endorsed. Many of these are in hotly contested races.

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    "Among the most vulnerable Democrats who have won NRA backing are Reps. Betsy Markey (Col.), Harry Teague (N.M.), Chet Edwards (Tex.), Allen Boyd (Fla.), Earl Pomeroy (N.D.), Debbie Halvorson (Ill.), Paul E. Kanjorski (Pa.) and John Boccieri (Ohio)."

    If the democrats were to become the anti-gun party, that would be a big disaster for gun rights.

    Take a hard look at each candidate on ALL the issues: but don't be afraid to vote for the pro-gun democrat.

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    "were to become"????

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    On a serious note: If you have a choice between two pro-gun candidates, don't forget that one will vote for Pelosi for speaker. Do you really think that Pelosi as speaker would be good for gun rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donkey View Post
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100606329.html

    So far, 58 democrats have been NRA endorsed. Many of these are in hotly contested races.

    <SNIP>

    "Among the most vulnerable Democrats who have won NRA backing are Reps. Betsy Markey (Col.), Harry Teague (N.M.), Chet Edwards (Tex.), Allen Boyd (Fla.), Earl Pomeroy (N.D.), Debbie Halvorson (Ill.), Paul E. Kanjorski (Pa.) and John Boccieri (Ohio)."

    If the democrats were to become the anti-gun party, that would be a big disaster for gun rights.

    Take a hard look at each candidate on ALL the issues: but don't be afraid to vote for the pro-gun democrat.
    The problem with the NRA is that all things being equal in their one subject view, they will always support the incumbent, no matter how lousy that incumbent is on other subjects.

    Take their endorsement of an incumbent with a few grains of salt. They are often wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donkey View Post
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100606329.html

    So far, 58 democrats have been NRA endorsed. Many of these are in hotly contested races.

    <SNIP>

    "Among the most vulnerable Democrats who have won NRA backing are Reps. Betsy Markey (Col.), Harry Teague (N.M.), Chet Edwards (Tex.), Allen Boyd (Fla.), Earl Pomeroy (N.D.), Debbie Halvorson (Ill.), Paul E. Kanjorski (Pa.) and John Boccieri (Ohio)."

    If the democrats were to become the anti-gun party, that would be a big disaster for gun rights.

    Take a hard look at each candidate on ALL the issues: but don't be afraid to vote for the pro-gun democrat.
    I'll agree that many "republicans" have been less than stellar on the gun issue, and all the other issues that concern me. That said I cannot comprehend how the dems becoming (anymore of) the antigun Party would be anymore of a disaster than their becoming the active euroweenie socialist party under the leadership of Her Moonbatness Nanzi Pillousy.

    You're kidding right? The dems as a party have been consistently anti-gun rights since FDR. The handful of dems who've been staunchly pro-2A were almost exclusively from southern rural areas. They were still instrumental in all of the other pinko nonsense that has been manifested since Wilson. There's really no difference between them and the anti-gun repubs we've had. They both make the same speeches, and they both push the same disgusting laws.

    I'll vote for the dem who promises to promote a pro-gun rights agenda AND repeal obozocare, disband federal law enforcement activity on citizens, the EPA, the IRS, the BATFE, the DEA, the NEA and the Dept of Energy. I don't care what party promises (and delivers) to curtail the government, they get my support. The dems happen to be resisting MY best wishes, so I work against them.

    If you understood how they work against yours, you'd do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Donkey View Post
    If the democrats were to become the anti-gun party
    Ah, the propagandists' slight of hand... Pretending Democrats haven't been the enemy of all that is good and decent (including guns) since their name was wrested apart from the term "Democratic-Republican."

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    Here in Wisconsin there is no doubt the Dems. are the party of gun regulation. Their very platform states they support "reasonable gun control", trigger locks, background checks and the fully support the ccw ban here. The fact the NRA is willing to support a Dem. in Wisconsin [and they are] is an insult to gun owners and the 2nd ammendment.

    http://www.wispolitics.com/index.Iml?Article=212737
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