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    Lightbulb Political Fire Mission

    I got to thinking about the upcoming elections and legislative sessions and the fact that we need to bring a united front to the table. As Hubert and others have mentioned we need to find a way to flood our representatives with thousands of calls, letters, and emails telling them what we want. I believe that in order to effectively do that we need to get other gun rights groups and hunting groups on board with our message that direct repeal of the onerous restrictions on our rights are the best method. Some of these groups may be resistant to the idea at first, but as we’ve seen time and time again, people warm up to the idea when they understand it. I’ve seen many new forum members here change their minds rather quickly and I think the same thing will happen within the other groups.

    To that end I’d like to suggest that well-spoken and polite ambassadors who understand and believe in the message should spread that message to other forums and other groups NOW. We have a tool in the internet that was nowhere near as available to previous efforts as it is to ours at this time. I think we should fan out across cyberspace and drum up support in every place that we can. I believe it will be easier than we think to sway more of the other groups to the cause.

    It may be a good idea to use other tools that I'm not all that familiar with like facebook as well. I believe that any way to get the message out should be explored.

    I’m afraid that if we don’t start doing this right away it will be too late and we may miss our opportunity to get permit-less concealed carry and may even lose open carry in favor of concealed carry because of the preference of the masses. Not only that, but the others all need to understand that there are other laws that need repealing to make either form of carry truly viable.

    I think that the message to be sent is simple at its core. Even if someone won’t change their mind that individuals need to be permitted, they should be able to be brought to believe that we should aim high if we don’t want the compromise to be distasteful.

    What are your thoughts?



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    They respond only to the sight of their own political blood. Convince them that you will vote their opponent into office unless they make a public political blood oath, that is one that will guarantee their un-electability in the alternative, be it before election or before re-election.

    Unfortunately few, none other than me, subscribe to The Real Nature of Politics and Politicians by Michael I. Rothfeld

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    I agree with Hubert's plan, and I think you are on track about using all of the forms of media available to us. Just look at how the Madison 5 situation has opened up the eyes of more people, that is because of the internet.

    How about having some well-spoken people attend some general meetings of local shooting ranges to speak about it. If we could get some people on their agenda for the event it would help get the word out. Facebook can be a powerful tool as you mentioned. If we can put together a well written blurb many of us can share it, and it just multiplies from there.

    You are right that people are going to appose it at first, but if they really think about it some of them will come around. Hell, if 1 of 10 people who get the bug in their ear to call their elected officials about it we are better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    They respond only to the sight of their own political blood. Convince them that you will vote their opponent into office unless they make a public political blood oath, that is one that will guarantee their un-electability in the alternative, be it before election or before re-election.

    Unfortunately few, none other than me, subscribe to The Real Nature of Politics and Politicians by Michael I. Rothfeld

    http://www.vcdl.org/new/realpolitics.htm
    I guess I'm a new subscriber, or was an old hat and didn't know it. The article you linked has a lot of good advice in it.

    In my opinion, getting thousands of calls and emails will be likely to get them to see their political lives flash before their eyes, especially in the current political environment.

    I think the most effective would be several organizations projecting the same message and I think it's possible in this case.
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    not sure that this is on topic but im going to fire away anyway. I do not follow polotics at all, as such I do not vote either, however I would like to take part in voting this year but to say I do not know the cannidates is putting it lightly. What's a good starting point for me ?

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    Politicians are people. People are motivated by more than just the prospect of losing power. Politicians who generally agree with our cause may simply need to be shown the way.

    An example: If I believe in the cause, I can be convinced to attend a fundraiser (political or charitable) simply by someone asking me. Would I otherwise do it? Maybe not. The invitation makes the difference.

    We need to lead these people and, if they agree in principle, they'll follow. Those who don't agree in principle may be overruled by the political majority, or if necessary, may be motivated by political process -- monetary contributions or threat of losing voter support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX View Post
    ...I would like to take part in voting this year but to say I do not know the cannidates is putting it lightly. What's a good starting point for me ?
    You are in:

    US House District 3 Wisconsin (US Congress)
    Wisconsin Senate District 17 (State Senate)
    WI House District 50 (State Assembly)
    Juneau County (County Positions, such as Sheriff)

    The WI Governor and US Senate seat held by Russ Feingold are also up for election this year. Your ballot might also contain town positions and local referendums for things such as borrowing money for schools.

    Where to start? I'd see if I could get a sample ballot for your town. I tried google and I couldn't get one for you. Call your town hall and/or county clerk. Those phone numbers are available via google.

    Then think about what is motivating you to be interested this year, and use the candidates' websites to learn about where they stand on those issues.

    When in doubt, Republicans are generally for smaller government, lower taxes, and fewer laws. Democrats favor larger government and less freedom. But if you'd like to not just vote a party line, there's no free lunch. You have to educate yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    To that end I’d like to suggest that well-spoken and polite ambassadors who understand and believe in the message should spread that message to other forums and other groups...
    I'm in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    I'm in!
    ummmmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Don View Post
    ummmmm....
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    What?

    Are you trying to tell me something?

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    This sounds good. We need to form groups in different parts of the state that are willing to spend some time making contacts with other gun rights groups, sportsmen orginazations and rod and gun clubs. If all of us can spend a little time we can make a huge difference. Most of us know someone who is a member of a sportsman group, we need to talk with them to find out who we need to talk to and then attend a monthly meeting, or maybe talk to the group as a whole.
    I would sugest we offer a pledge of support. What I mean by that is not financial support but help making phone calls, sending e-mails etc. In return, when they need our help we would be more that willing to do the same. The more people and orginizations united the better for all of us. One thought we need to convey is that by supporting the 2nd ammendment they will get their rights as a byproduct. Without the 2nd ammendment even sportsmen are in danger.

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    An internet blitz on the media and politicians is definitely a powerful tool for us. Expecting the various gun-rights groups and sportaman groups to come together and form a coalition is unlikely. The reason? Every group wants to be the "big dog in the fight", including us. Any coalition would likely end up akin to the United Nations. A bunch of people sitting around making useless talk and vetoeing each others ideas. ODCO is not immune from this. just go back and review posts made to Sisters of the Second Amendment and SAK of icarry.
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    http://paceebene.org/files/pdf/eight...-graphic-2.pdf

    In this model i believe we are in stage 3 or 4. We need to hang in there and figure out how to get the majority of people to back us in our mission the ideas presented here are good. Lately we have gotten some good air time in locations like madison and green bay.

    Is there brochure about the the repeal of 941.23 that we can put out at local business gun shops game farms etc. Not nessicarly that we just hand out. I for one would be willing to print at home than make copies and do this for my local area. I just do not have the knoweledge or skills to design one.

    What about yard signs with Wisconsin carry inc on it that says repeal 941.23 that could be ordered or put out in yards or high traffic intersections.

    If someone could write me a script I could post videos on youtube for the group I made multiple videos for youtube. Nothing political but fun have editing experience for this too. example http://www.youtube.com/user/KillingP.../8/nSfhw9foEyY

    We have the bodies willing to do this just need to unite and make a plan. Social movement sucess is with in the grasp for us just need to inform the masses. If we want to be a big dog its time to act like a big dog about repeal of 941.23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nemo View Post
    An internet blitz on the media and politicians is definitely a powerful tool for us. Expecting the various gun-rights groups and sportaman groups to come together and form a coalition is unlikely. The reason? Every group wants to be the "big dog in the fight", including us. Any coalition would likely end up akin to the United Nations. A bunch of people sitting around making useless talk and vetoeing each others ideas. ODCO is not immune from this. just go back and review posts made to Sisters of the Second Amendment and SAK of icarry.
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    I don't disagree this will be a dificult task. We don't need every sportsman group or rod and gun club to help us, anybody who is willing to help will put us in a better place than we are now, diversity will look good. All we need is a list of contacts of any group who is willing to help, when the time is right we ask them to make some calls, e-mails etc. When the time is right we do the same for them. Brochures, yard signs and you tube videos are all great ideas. Any thing we can do to let the public and our lawmakers know REPEAL941.23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinner View Post
    Politicians are people. People are motivated by more than just the prospect of losing power. Politicians who generally agree with our cause may simply need to be shown the way.

    An example: If I believe in the cause, I can be convinced to attend a fundraiser (political or charitable) simply by someone asking me. Would I otherwise do it? Maybe not. The invitation makes the difference.

    We need to lead these people and, if they agree in principle, they'll follow. Those who don't agree in principle may be overruled by the political majority, or if necessary, may be motivated by political process -- monetary contributions or threat of losing voter support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Nemo View Post
    An internet blitz on the media and politicians is definitely a powerful tool for us. Expecting the various gun-rights groups and sportaman groups to come together and form a coalition is unlikely. The reason? Every group wants to be the "big dog in the fight", including us. Any coalition would likely end up akin to the United Nations. A bunch of people sitting around making useless talk and vetoeing each others ideas. ODCO is not immune from this. just go back and review posts made to Sisters of the Second Amendment and SAK of icarry.
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    I don't think we necessarily need to form some sort of coalition. I think what I'm suggesting is a grassroots movement to get the information out. I don't really want there to be a big dog in the fight and don't think there will be. I'm trying to think of a way to get as many people as possible; as individuals, to contact the lawmakers vigorously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass Magnet View Post
    I don't think we necessarily need to form some sort of coalition. I think what I'm suggesting is a grassroots movement to get the information out. I don't really want there to be a big dog in the fight and don't think there will be. I'm trying to think of a way to get as many people as possible; as individuals, to contact the lawmakers vigorously.
    Right on, we need small groups all over the state getting the word out. A few dedicated volunteers can spread the word fast.

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    Like Nik said in another post, this has all happened so fast we wish we had another year of Open carrying and developing the organization. A handful of guys ain't gonna get it done. A WCI that was 5 or 10 thousand could though.

    The problem now is that we will get permitted carry quickly crammed through the goalpost and it will take the impetus away from WCI as most will be satisfied with permitting. Then its a long grind to the other end of the field for Unrestricted Carry.

    Not trying to be a wet blanket here but first and foremost I am a pragmatist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Like Nik said in another post, this has all happened so fast we wish we had another year of Open carrying and developing the organization. A handful of guys ain't gonna get it done. A WCI that was 5 or 10 thousand could though.

    The problem now is that we will get permitted carry quickly crammed through the goalpost and it will take the impetus away from WCI as most will be satisfied with permitting. Then its a long grind to the other end of the field for Unrestricted Carry.

    Not trying to be a wet blanket here but first and foremost I am a pragmatist.
    We don't need 5 or 10 thousand to make this happen. This movement started its path with one man planting a tree. We need small groups peppered thru out the state willing to contact every sportsman group and rod and gun in their area to rally support. Small groups can accomplish great things. The Octoberfest parade had a small group and managed to hand out thousands of WCI brochures. Please don't underestimate the ability of a few dedicated individuals. We have enough time to make a big difference. If we don't do it who will?
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny amish View Post
    We don't need 5 or 10 thousand to make this happen. This movement started its path with one man planting a tree. We need small groups peppered thru out the state willing to contact every sportsman group and rod and gun in their area to rally support. Small groups can accomplish great things. The Octoberfest parade had a small group and managed to hand out thousands of WCI brochures. Please don't underestimate the ability of a few dedicated individuals. We have enough time to make a big difference. If we don't do it who will?
    Exactly!
    Take one penny and double it, then the two pennies and double that. Wash rinse repeat. Even a hand ful of people can get this going.
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    If we aren't willing to spread the word I am left to wonder who will? If 10 thousand strong is the intended goal then it will be up to all of us to make this happen. Not to long ago oc was unheard of in this state and now it is common. This started wilth the actions of one and has blossemed into some real change for gun rights. We need to do more than talk big, we need to get off our butts and hit the streets to promote our cause. We need to gather our friends, make new friends and rally support in every corner of this state. The political enviroment is prime for us to be doing this.

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    I found this on, of all places, a WAVE site, dated September 2008. I never realized that so many campuses had a Students For Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC) chapter - especially when Wisconsin has no concealed carry law. Time to do a little outreach. Maybe Wisconsin Carry Inc. could offer a student membership rate.

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    "Like Marquette, UW-Milwaukee opposes allowing students to carry concealed weapons on campus. “We believe the police force that we have on our campus is best suited to deal with situations that might require an armed response,” said Tom Luljak,vice chancellor for university relations and communications at UWM. As of the end of the 2007-08 school year, 11 universities around the country permit students to carry concealed weapons on campus. One of these schools is Colorado State University (CSU), located in Fort Collins, Colo., with a student population of just under 25,000. To obtain a concealed carry permit, CSU students must be over 21, pass a background check and have no prior felony convictions. While CSU students are not permitted to have guns in the dormitories and must store their handguns at the police department, they are allowed to carry concealed weapons in classrooms and around campus.

    Advocates—such as the 30,000-member Students For Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC)—want the same system to be implemented in Wisconsin.

    At least six schools in Wisconsin have a branch of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus: Madison Area Technical College, UW-Green Bay, UW-Platteville, Lawrence University, UW-Madison and Marquette University.

    Bret Bostwick, leader of UW-Madison’s SCCC branch and president of the Wisconsin chapter of SCCC, said it’s a public safety issue.

    “In light of violence on [college] campuses, a change needs to be made to allow students to protect themselves,” Bostwick said. Michael Neiduski, head of the Marquette SCCC chapter, said students who carry concealed weapons would follow the law and would not contribute to more violence on campuses.""
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    Good find

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny amish View Post
    Good find
    And good idea!

    We should look into how to get in contact with them. After all, we have to win our battle for them to have any chance of winning theirs.
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