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    +4 For Gun Owners in Washington!!!

    At least 5 shot, 1 killed in Lakebay home-invasion robbery
    http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/1...urns-into.html

    At least five people were shot tonight, one fatally, when a home-invasion robbery went sideways in the Lakebay area.

    The incident occurred around 8:30 p.m. when multiple robbers broke into a house.

    “The homeowner fired rounds at the suspects and the suspects fired rounds back,” said Pierce County sheriff’s spokesman Ed Troyer.

    One suspect was killed in the gunfight. Three other suspects have called 911 from different locations to report their injuries, Troyer said.


    “We have four hot active scenes right now,” he added.

    The locations are not being disclosed for safety reasons. Several more suspects are unaccounted for and likely armed. Someone in the house is also believed to have been shot. Their condition is unknown.

    Pierce County and Gig Harbor firefighters also responded.

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    King 5 is reporting 5 injured, and all 5 are the suspects... So could be +5 for the good guys!

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    wow

    Quote Originally Posted by swatspyder View Post
    King 5 is reporting 5 injured, and all 5 are the suspects... So could be +5 for the good guys!
    WOW man!! thats just beautiful!!!
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    I have tears in my eyes after reaading this...
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    another mary jane growing operation.
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    Guys, it appears the good guys might have had a marijuana grow in their house, hence the reason for the home invasion.

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    huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by mik253 View Post
    Sounds about right, let's hope for his case it Was a legal grow
    doesnt matter if it was legal or not,
    bad guys got what they deserve,
    good guy protected him self!
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    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    doesnt matter if it was legal or not,
    bad guys got what they deserve,
    good guy protected him self!
    +1

    The reason for the break in is irrelavant. Breaking and entering is a crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    +1

    The reason for the break in is irrelavant. Breaking and entering is a crime.
    w0rd. The ******* match over the proper legal status of cannabis is in that other thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post
    I have tears in my eyes after reaading this...
    WTF? This get's under my skin. Why the hell would you be "brought-to-tears happy" about this?

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    for the pure and simple reason that I am PROUD that someone was RESPONSIBLE enough to take their own security into their own hands and not rely on others (police or anyone else) to do so for them.

    They were (at least at the time) responsible enough to pull the trigger, despite and possible side effects. They were (again apparently) calm enough in that situation to hit thier targets and protect their family.

    I am happy with HOW it happened, not the end result of people (even BG's) being dead. I AM however happy that the homeowner was "cool, calm, and collected" at least from all the initial reports and that (aside from the whole cannabis thing) did everything "by the book."

    It is more a tears of pride though.
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    Felons

    I'm in favor of people defending their property, but when the "property" is illegal then this is not a "good" shoot. By the way what is "Heavily Strapped"? This is not good guy vs. bad guy, this is bg vs. bg. let's not glamorize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    I'm in favor of people defending their property, but when the "property" is illegal then this is not a "good" shoot. By the way what is "Heavily Strapped"? This is not good guy vs. bad guy, this is bg vs. bg. let's not glamorize it.
    Bravo to you, SpyderTatoo and others for being able to keep this in perspective.
    Right now, it's not clear that there were really any "good guys" as we typically identify them.

    Keep this in perspective. When the dust settles a little, a certain element is going to ignore the fact that this was a dope rip-off gone bad, and concentrate on the "easy availability of guns" that made this possible.

    Probably a bit too early to start cheering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    +1

    The reason for the break in is irrelavant. Breaking and entering is a crime.
    However if one is involved in an illegal activity the right to use Self Defense might come into question.

    This somewhat like two competing bank robbers showing up at the same time. One shoots the other. Can he then claim Self Defense?

    Hopefully this thread won't deteriorate into a "Pot should be legal" fur-ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    However if one is involved in an illegal activity the right to use Self Defense might come into question.

    This somewhat like two competing bank robbers showing up at the same time. One shoots the other. Can he then claim Self Defense?

    Hopefully this thread won't deteriorate into a "Pot should be legal" fur-ball.
    I don't like that analogy.

    Suppose in my home it is known I have firearms. Because I have something someone else wants I am a target of criminals. If I defend my self in my home, it is self defense.

    Suppose in my home I have a weekly high stakes poker game. There is several thousand dollars in cash involved. Thus it becomes the target of criminals, do I have less of a right to defend myself upon a break in? I think not, as once they cross the threshold of my home and are visibly armed (as in this case with a shotgun) I have the right to defend myself.

    Now we have a break in because of another item that a criminal wants. Yes the home owner increased his 'target' to other criminals, but does that limit his right to self defense? I think not. Is it a good idea to engage in an illegal or 'quasi-illegal' activity in your home? No.
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    No matter how some want to slice this and try to justify the large marijuana grow, it is engaging into an illegal activity and resulting in a home invasion, no sympathy here. Victimless Crime, Yeah Right.

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Arme...104545639.html

    LAKEBAY, Wash. – An attempted invasion robbery at a home on Key Peninsula that housed a large marijuana grow operation turned into a gun battle between the owner and the robbers Thursday night. One robber is dead, at least two other people are wounded and as many as four people may be on the run in the neighborhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post

    This somewhat like two competing bank robbers showing up at the same time. One shoots the other. Can he then claim Self Defense?
    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    I don't like that analogy.

    But isn't that the way the Court and Jury will view it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Bravo to you, SpyderTatoo and others for being able to keep this in perspective.
    Right now, it's not clear that there were really any "good guys" as we typically identify them.

    Keep this in perspective. When the dust settles a little, a certain element is going to ignore the fact that this was a dope rip-off gone bad, and concentrate on the "easy availability of guns" that made this possible.

    Probably a bit too early to start cheering.
    +1

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    Keep in perspective the nature of this crime and recall the line out of "No Country For Old Men" in which Tommy Lee Jones said drug dealers died of natural causes.

    "Natural for the line of work they were in."

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    However if one is involved in an illegal activity the right to use Self Defense might come into question.

    This somewhat like two competing bank robbers showing up at the same time. One shoots the other. Can he then claim Self Defense?

    Hopefully this thread won't deteriorate into a "Pot should be legal" fur-ball.
    Being a willing participant in fight with another, with nothing else weighing in would likely remove the issue of self defense.

    The issue of being involved in an illegal activity and someone coming to commit a crime upon you would have two actions of cause I believe, one being the criminal activity one was involved in and the other being Self Defense.
    Even though these are two different actions it could be said that one brought the other to bear and if faced with a jury of your peers, well I would not want to be in that seat, would you?

    I would neither glamorize the home owners actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Workman View Post
    Keep in perspective the nature of this crime and recall the line out of "No Country For Old Men" in which Tommy Lee Jones said drug dealers died of natural causes.

    "Natural for the line of work they were in."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    No matter how some want to slice this and try to justify the large marijuana grow, it is engaging into an illegal activity and resulting in a home invasion, no sympathy here. Victimless Crime, Yeah Right.

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Arme...104545639.html
    It is a victimless crime, home invasion and robbery is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    No matter how some want to slice this and try to justify the large marijuana grow, it is engaging into an illegal activity and resulting in a home invasion, no sympathy here. Victimless Crime, Yeah Right.

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Arme...104545639.html
    Quote Originally Posted by SaintJacque View Post
    It is a victimless crime, home invasion and robbery is not.
    Victimless LOL, what do you think brought them loaded for bear to this residences?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mik253 View Post
    Wow my Co worker lives a few streets from where this happend and knew the homeowner, his guns were legal. But the reason the 5 robbers were heavily armed and in cammo is Because they are part of a Very scary organization that I am afraid to even mention. The guys had ak's and m16s and is saying there was atleast 150 rounds exchanged, basically he ripped off thw wrong people' and knew they would be coming for him
    Really?

    From King TV's report:

    "Troyer says handguns and shotguns were used and there are 50 to 100 rounds of spent ammunition at the scene."

    Why would you be afraid to name this "Very scary organization"? Aren't you posting anonymously?????? Or does your Birth Certificate say Mik253?

    I'm not sure what others here feel about your account but it sure sounds like the prelude to another urban legend.
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