+4 For Gun Owners in Washington!!!

BigDave · Oct 8, 2010

amlevin said:
However if one is involved in an illegal activity the right to use Self Defense might come into question.

This somewhat like two competing bank robbers showing up at the same time. One shoots the other. Can he then claim Self Defense?

Hopefully this thread won't deteriorate into a "Pot should be legal" fur-ball.

Being a willing participant in fight with another, with nothing else weighing in would likely remove the issue of self defense.

The issue of being involved in an illegal activity and someone coming to commit a crime upon you would have two actions of cause I believe, one being the criminal activity one was involved in and the other being Self Defense.
Even though these are two different actions it could be said that one brought the other to bear and if faced with a jury of your peers, well I would not want to be in that seat, would you?

I would neither glamorize the home owners actions.

maclean · Oct 8, 2010

Dave Workman said:
Keep in perspective the nature of this crime and recall the line out of "No Country For Old Men" in which Tommy Lee Jones said drug dealers died of natural causes.

"Natural for the line of work they were in."

Cormac is a genius.

SaintJacque · Oct 8, 2010

BigDave said:
No matter how some want to slice this and try to justify the large marijuana grow, it is engaging into an illegal activity and resulting in a home invasion, no sympathy here. Victimless Crime, Yeah Right.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Armed-robbery-shooting-on-Key-Peninsula-104545639.html

It is a victimless crime, home invasion and robbery is not.

BigDave · Oct 8, 2010

BigDave said:
No matter how some want to slice this and try to justify the large marijuana grow, it is engaging into an illegal activity and resulting in a home invasion, no sympathy here. Victimless Crime, Yeah Right.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Armed-robbery-shooting-on-Key-Peninsula-104545639.html

SaintJacque said:
It is a victimless crime, home invasion and robbery is not.

Victimless LOL, what do you think brought them loaded for bear to this residences?

amlevin · Oct 8, 2010

mik253 said:
Wow my Co worker lives a few streets from where this happend and knew the homeowner, his guns were legal. But the reason the 5 robbers were heavily armed and in cammo is Because they are part of a Very scary organization that I am afraid to even mention. The guys had ak's and m16s and is saying there was atleast 150 rounds exchanged, basically he ripped off thw wrong people' and knew they would be coming for him

Really?

From King TV's report:

"Troyer says handguns and shotguns were used and there are 50 to 100 rounds of spent ammunition at the scene."

Why would you be afraid to name this "Very scary organization"? Aren't you posting anonymously?????? Or does your Birth Certificate say Mik253?

I'm not sure what others here feel about your account but it sure sounds like the prelude to another urban legend.

oneeyeross · Oct 8, 2010

Well, what you "heard" might not be anything other than rumor.

As for hearing machine guns, that isn't possible. Select fire weapons are illegal in Washington state, and we all know that criminals follow gun laws...

amlevin · Oct 8, 2010

mik253 said:
People said they heard machine guns so it would make more sense.

Have you ever gone to a range where several people were shooting at the same time? Not a single machine gun there but if you close your eyes and listen, it may sound like it. Doesn't make it so.

gogodawgs · Oct 8, 2010

Still illicit drugs...

The shootout involved a robbery at a house where the occupants were suspected of selly oxycontin, a powerful narcotic much prized on the drug-dealing market.
Initial reports described it as a marijuana grow operation,

Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crim...tizen-crime-patrol-leader-says/#ixzz11o1rlExj

amlevin · Oct 8, 2010

gogodawgs said:
The shootout involved a robbery at a house where the occupants were suspected of selly oxycontin, a powerful narcotic much prized on the drug-dealing market.

Careful now, you may wake up the "legalize Hillbilly Heroin" crowd.

gogodawgs · Oct 8, 2010

amlevin said:
Careful now, you may wake up the "legalize Hillbilly Heroin" crowd.

Already in the comments of the News Tribune! LOL

maclean · Oct 8, 2010

I'm sort of curious about the "group that shall not be named."

I can think of several, but none of them are huge into Oxy.

amlevin · Oct 8, 2010

maclean said:
I'm sort of curious about the "group that shall not be named."

I can think of several, but none of them are huge into Oxy.

That plus I have been looking for any reports of a "Rip Off" in Edmonds earlier in the day. So far nada.

“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.”
-----------Ben Franklin----

Ajetpilot · Oct 8, 2010

gogodawgs said:
I don't like that analogy.

Suppose in my home I have a weekly high stakes poker game. There is several thousand dollars in cash involved.

Where is it? I WANT IN!

3/325 · Oct 9, 2010

A bunch of criminals got shot up, and the moral burden for shooting another human being has to be carried by yet another criminal. Meanwhile, no innocent bystanders or neighbors were hit.

Sounds like a win/win to me.

Tawnos · Oct 9, 2010

Would this have occurred if cannabis were legal?

Answer that, and maybe you can determine who turns what would be a victimless act into a crime with a victim (reader's study guide: the answer is "the government").

Bersa.380 · Oct 9, 2010

gogodawgs said:
+1

The reason for the break in is irrelavant. Breaking and entering is a crime.

+ 1

Illegal pot operation and B&E .. .. .. two different crimes !!!!!

sudden valley gunner · Oct 9, 2010

Yep look how well prohibition works. Thats the gov. for you.
They constantly create black markets. :banghead: and dangerous situations.

BigDave · Oct 9, 2010

Bersa.380 said:
+ 1

Illegal pot operation and B&E .. .. .. two different crimes !!!!!

Agreed, the reason for the attack was the Marijuana plain and simple one crime leading to another taking life and putting those in the hospital that we will have to pay for.

Tawnos said:
Would this have occurred if cannabis were legal?

IT IS ILLEGAL, HELLO! :lol: Pick and choose those law that you will nor will not abide by, what a citizen.
Join the groups wanting to legalize it in a legal manner, til then oh well.

.45ACPaddy · Oct 9, 2010

But the question remains... would it have happened if cannibis were legal? Will stuff like this continue to happen if cannibis is ever legalized?

BigDave · Oct 9, 2010

.45ACPaddy said:
But the question remains... would it have happened if cannibis were legal? Will stuff like this continue to happen if cannibis is ever legalized?

Like asking if it would have taken me one minute longer to leave the house, the accident I was in, would it have happened?

Or if I was just 5 minutes earlier for Oprah, would I have had a brand new car now! :lol:

If cannabis held the death penalty would it be as available as it is today? :cuss:

At least if you are going to support something take the time to spell it correctly, it makes you look less then intelligent! :dude: [cannabis]

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