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    Let's also recognize that Police Officers do good

    "Seattle officer uses training to save choking man"

    http://heraldnet.com/article/20101009/NEWS03/710099932


    We have had numerous discussions that have been raking the Police over the coals for their alleged violation of individual rights.

    To be fair, we also need to recognize that good things happen as well.
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    I agree. The good LEOs far outnumber the bad, as is usually the case in any line of work. Let's face it, they have a tough, tough job that few of us would want to do. Let's also remember that they are human and make mistakes just like the rest of us. Let's remember that sometimes things don't actually happen the way they appear to. On the other side of things, we need to continue to stand up for our rights; if we don't, they will be taken from us. We need to take the necessary steps to see that LEOs in our state understand the laws applicable to OC and that they observe them along with our other rights. By doing so, LEOs will be educated and/or eliminated thus insuring a safer environment for them and us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    SNIP To be fair, we also need to recognize that good things happen as well.
    True. As long as it does not blind to the problems in the profession. No problem in seeing the full picture. Cops doing beneficial things is a part of that picture.

    Separately, don't lose sight of the fact that raking on this forum is mostly a discussion of the individual bad cop or problem. The raking is not unfair for not including praise for good cops. The raking often merely omits good cops because they are not the point of the discussion. The rabid cop-bashers who make broad generalities don't last long here; the mods boot them. The individual posters who get a little too general do get called on it in the thread.

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    Notice the good action only gets 3 sentences?

    Bad news always trumps good news. sad.

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    And some even go so far as to give their own lives to protect others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leatherneck View Post
    Notice the good action only gets 3 sentences?

    Bad news always trumps good news. sad.
    Hey, it's the same for us - it's not like cop forums are filled with praise when an OCer saves someone's life or stops a crime, but I'll bet you they talk about it when one messes up.

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    I think LEOs and OCers both need to realize that we are on the same side-both are against criminals. Both groups of people have people at both ends of the spectrum, but I think most tend to be in the middle. For the most part, I think the goals of LEAs and LACs is the same-the reduction of crime leading to a safer working and living environment for all of us.

    I am currently attending Seattle Community Police Academy in an effort to learn more about what LEOs do and how and why they do it. I have a ride along scheduled for Oct. 20th. I will report here what I learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    I agree. The good LEOs far outnumber the bad, as is usually the case in any line of work. Let's face it, they have a tough, tough job that few of us would want to do. Let's also remember that they are human and make mistakes just like the rest of us. Let's remember that sometimes things don't actually happen the way they appear to. On the other side of things, we need to continue to stand up for our rights; if we don't, they will be taken from us. We need to take the necessary steps to see that LEOs in our state understand the laws applicable to OC and that they observe them along with our other rights. By doing so, LEOs will be educated and/or eliminated thus insuring a safer environment for them and us.
    Just want to clarify, by "eliminated" I was referred to being fired or losing the job for improper behavior-nothing else and nothing more than that. I realize one must be careful on here as far as wording goes and did not want anyone to misconstrue what I said.
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    People typically talk more about the exception than the rule. This is why "bad" cops are discussed ad nauseum.

    Go to Mexico and talk about how corrupt the police are and all you'll get in response is "Yeah, no s#*t Captain Obvious. Thanks for the update."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby View Post
    I have a ride along scheduled for Oct. 20th.
    We'll get a big group together and cause a commotion so you have some excitement.
    How about a pillow fight at Pike Place everyone?!?!

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    Nice save, I bet that felt good!
    Last edited by maclean; 10-09-2010 at 10:55 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leatherneck View Post
    We'll get a big group together and cause a commotion so you have some excitement.
    How about a pillow fight at Pike Place everyone?!?!
    That's funny!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryk45XD View Post
    That's funny!!!
    I've actually gotten invitations for such an event near Pike Place Market. Everyone shows up at a certain time with pillows tucked in their jackets, and at a given signal everyone break them out and has a pillow fight.

    Didn't sound like reason enough to head downtown, so I skipped it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leatherneck View Post
    We'll get a big group together and cause a commotion so you have some excitement.
    How about a pillow fight at Pike Place everyone?!?!
    If it gets out of hand, they might have to call in --

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    You guys are funny! We will be leaving out of South Precinct, but I have no idea where we will patrol. I wouldn't have a pillow fight while OCing, people might get the wrong idea. Enough of them already think we're nuts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeroket View Post
    And some even go so far as to give their own lives to protect others.
    Not only Police do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by joeroket View Post
    And some even go so far as to give their own lives to protect others.
    Not only Police do this.
    Oh, my. Lets wait a while before we get going on the subject again. What say we just let it go with one little clarification. Not particularly pro-cop, nor anti-cop.

    There is a difference between risking one's life for another, and giving one's life for another.

    Except for loved ones and soldiers (jumping on grenades, etc.) I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone giving their life for another. To come back after the fact and say a giving occurred, when actually a risking-that-resulted-in-dying occurred, is to change things a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, my. Lets wait a while before we get going on the subject again. What say we just let it go with one little clarification. Not particularly pro-cop, nor anti-cop.

    There is a difference between risking one's life for another, and giving one's life for another.

    Except for loved ones and soldiers (jumping on grenades, etc.) I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone giving their life for another. To come back after the fact and say a giving occurred, when actually a risking-that-resulted-in-dying occurred, is to change things a little bit.
    We are totally aware of your view on Police Officers and such. Have you ever considered "Giving it a Rest!!!?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    We are totally aware of your view on Police Officers and such. Have you ever considered "Giving it a Rest!!!?????
    I was. I begged putting the brakes on where that conversation could go, especially if another poster jumped in, arguing either side of that exchange. And, then I cleared up that both of the posters were overlooking an important distinction.

    So, one poster really had nothing to argue against. And, the other was arguing for a nearly non-existent phenomena in policing. If bringing about that state of mind between two posters and any anti-cop readers doesn't stop something before it gets much started, I don't know what would.

    If you have something to say against my intolerance of bad-cops or their enablers, or a lingering bias against me for it, please PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    I was. I begged putting the brakes on where that conversation could go, especially if another poster jumped in, arguing either side of that exchange. And, then I cleared up that both of the posters were overlooking an important distinction.

    So, one poster really had nothing to argue against. And, the other was arguing for a nearly non-existent phenomena in policing. If bringing about that state of mind between two posters and any anti-cop readers doesn't stop something before it gets much started, I don't know what would.

    If you have something to say against my intolerance of bad-cops or their enablers, or a lingering bias against me for it, please PM me.
    I did one better. You are now the first and only listing on my Ignore list.
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    I always keep one thing in mind

    LEO = Person, Person = ME, LEO =/= Me

    I never forget they are people, as I am. Their power over me is as much as I give them. If they go outside of that, then the power swings in my favor. That being said, I've been lucky enough to have positive encounters only so far. I wish luck to the rest as well, and to you also. (Not pointed at anyone specifically)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    LEO = Person, Person = ME, LEO =/= Me

    I never forget they are people, as I am. Their power over me is as much as I give them. If they go outside of that, then the power swings in my favor. That being said, I've been lucky enough to have positive encounters only so far. I wish luck to the rest as well, and to you also. (Not pointed at anyone specifically)
    I guess we share similar luck. In 46+ years of carrying a handgun I have also been lucky that all my encounters with Law Enforcement have been uneventful. The only times I have been asked for ID was during a couple of stops for speed (my fault) and a couple of accidents (not my fault). I have NEVER been disarmed or subjected to intimidation. I learned a long time ago about something that might be described as "attitude matching". Start with a bad one and the other party will soon try to outdo it. Stay calm, be polite yet firm in your position, and things rarely get out of hand. At least that's been my experience. Then again, maybe I'm going about it all wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, my. Lets wait a while before we get going on the subject again. What say we just let it go with one little clarification. Not particularly pro-cop, nor anti-cop.

    There is a difference between risking one's life for another, and giving one's life for another.

    Except for loved ones and soldiers (jumping on grenades, etc.) I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone giving their life for another. To come back after the fact and say a giving occurred, when actually a risking-that-resulted-in-dying occurred, is to change things a little bit.
    That is true there is a difference between risking and giving. I personally don't know anyone who has willingly given his life for anything. Personally I have risked mine to save others and I am not employed as a public servant. That is just my personality and me. I do appreciate the clarification though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Not only Police do this.
    No ****. This thread was about them though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeroket View Post
    No ****. This thread was about them though.
    I stand corrected. And yes some do risk their lives in service of others.

    I just get a little discouraged when I hear about what a dangerous job it is when there are many other professions much more dangerous. And many situations where the average Joe risks their lives and they don't do it as part of their job.

    I don't fault LEO (well in most respects) I fault the people who don't take our laws and our constitutional personally and want to rely on 'others' for personal safety and law enforcement and allow the bureaucratic beast to grow and grow.

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