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    Madison West student arrested for carrying loaded gun

    http://www.wkow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13295156

    "The student was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon and for being a juvenile in possession of a firearm. At this point in the investigation, it does not appear the gun was ever inside the school."

    Where is the "gfsz" charge here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlutz View Post
    Where is the "gfsz" charge here?
    This, and I thought the Madison norm would mean this kid gets a disorderly conduct charge too... right?

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    "He was hanging out on the streets of school property and he had a little gun on him and he was showing everyone and talking about it ... At this point in the investigation, it does not appear the gun was ever inside the school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlutz View Post

    Where is the "gfsz" charge here?
    Maybe they felt the GFSZ charge was unconstitutional. Just kidding.

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    Without a GFSZ violation are all the charges misdemeanors?

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    Possession of a dangerous weapon by a minor is a misdemeanor. If somebody gave him the gun, that person could be convicted of a felony.

    Nothing says a GFSZ charge couldn't still be in the works. But if not, here's one possible explanation: In order to be convicted of a violation of GFSZ one has to be shown to knowingly take the firearm into a school zone -- the language reads, "Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone is guilty of a Class I felony." They might figure this dumb ass kid has never HEARD of a GFSZ so he could not have taken it in "knowingly" into the zone. And with the education kids get, he probably doesn't have "reasonable cause" to believe he is in a GFSZ, because it's not in the curriculum. It is impossible to knowingly take a gun into a school zone if one has never heard of the concept of a school zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    "Years pass, and the pigs learn to walk upright, carry whips, and wear clothes. The Seven Commandments are reduced to a single phrase: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm
    HA!

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    Noble Wray hasnt yet reviewed the case and determined the Officers were wrong in issuing a citation, and have a chance to retract it and issue other citations yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun View Post
    Possession of a dangerous weapon by a minor is a misdemeanor. If somebody gave him the gun, that person could be convicted of a felony.

    Nothing says a GFSZ charge couldn't still be in the works. But if not, here's one possible explanation: In order to be convicted of a violation of GFSZ one has to be shown to knowingly take the firearm into a school zone -- the language reads, "Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone is guilty of a Class I felony." They might figure this dumb ass kid has never HEARD of a GFSZ so he could not have taken it in "knowingly" into the zone. And with the education kids get, he probably doesn't have "reasonable cause" to believe he is in a GFSZ, because it's not in the curriculum. It is impossible to knowingly take a gun into a school zone if one has never heard of the concept of a school zone.
    Sounds like it was a student arrested, a claim of ignorance would be very interesting for student to claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockman View Post
    Sounds like it was a student arrested, a claim of ignorance would be very interesting for student to claim.
    Yes, but read the law carefully. It doesn't say one has to only know they are near a school, it says they have to knowingly carry in a "school zone." He can know what a school is, without knowing what a (gun free) school zone is...
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    It's a scary situation, a teenager, carrying a loaded gun. Luckily nobody was hurt but it made for a stressful day as district leaders worked diligently to figure out the best way to notify more than a thousand teachers, parents and students at Madison West.

    When I was 15 I carried a gun nearly every day. And like this case, nobody got hurt which shows some degree of safety. The difference was that I was carrying a rifle and was in the woods. NOT a handgun at school. But the sensationalism of the "news" article amazes me.

    Obviously any kid talking about committing an armed robbery is nothing more than a punk a** gang banger just waiting to become another statistic.

    Like they say, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse". These are the kind that need to be put away for awhile.
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    And then has to wonder at what age do Constitutional Rights begin?

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    The Wikipedia article "Age of Majority" lists eighteen years old for America with three states excepted and with explanation and discussion, including, "The law in a given jurisdiction may never actually use the term "age of majority" and the term thereby refers to a collection of laws bestowing the status of adulthood. "

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    During Orientation this year at our little rural school in JACKSON county the principal advised the students who may have arrived on school property with a firearm in their vehicle, perhaps left there after hunting or trap shooting or such, that he will be happy to come fetch it with them and keep it in the office until the end of the day for them so that they may avoid any unfortunate legal action from it being discovered in any other way.

    He has a pretty good sense of who are the baduns' and who are the gooduns'.

    The principal actually even looks a lot like Gerald Fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhancock View Post
    During Orientation this year at our little rural school in JACKSON county the principal advised the students who may have arrived on school property with a firearm in their vehicle, perhaps left there after hunting or trap shooting or such, that he will be happy to come fetch it with them and keep it in the office until the end of the day for them so that they may avoid any unfortunate legal action from it being discovered in any other way.
    Maybe he'd do better to just let them take the guns home. He may end up with a room full of rifles and shotguns.
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