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    Vacationing in Vegas / Looking for firearm friendly hotels

    I'm hoping some of you can help me out. As the title states, I will be vacationing in Vegas for a few days and have tried to find a firearm friendly hotel to stay in but have not had any luck.

    I have Florida non-res concealed license that will cover me out to Nevada. I understand when I reach Nevada I must OC to remain within the law. I am really not interested in carrying "on the strip" or anywhere else for that matter during my vacation. I'm mainly interested in being able to have my firearm in my hotel room while there, and traveling in and out of Vegas.

    I would also prefer to give my business to a place that respects our right to bear arms. I really don't care if it's a casino/hotel or just a hotel. I have searched on the net and really have not found anything other than a few things stating places like MGM and the like are not firearm friendly.

    So my question is: does anyone know of any hotels that have been known to be firearm friendly or have a firearm friendly policy?

    Thanks in advance.

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    If you have a CCW that Nevada recognizes, what makes you think you must OC? I believe it would be better for you to keep it concealed while inside the hotel as most are very intolerant of persons with a firearm. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your CCW permits you to do in Nevada.

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    I think his implications are that his CCW covers up UNTIL he gets to Nevada.
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    He has a Florida Non-res CCW, which is not accepted in NV. He means that it will cover him up until he gets here.

    Sorry, I am not aware of any hotel or casino in Las Vegas that has any policy (written or otherwise) stating they welcome guests with firearms. I would NOT suggest asking for permission to have your firearm when checking in. Your best bet is to carry it unloaded and locked inside your suitcase. Leave it that way while checking in, and get it out once you are in your room. I would suggest booking at a hotel that has in-room safes listed as one of the amenities so you can store it somewhat safely when you are out of the room.

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    Most hotels will allow you to secure your firearm in the security lockup while you are doing your gambling, dining etc and will not hassle you for coming to or going from your room. But they definitely do not like people drinking, gambling at the tables or slots or in the restaurant while armed.

    While I was in Mesquite for the last few nights, My room did not have a room safe, so I asked if security had a procedure in place to secure my firearm while I was in the casino. They did not have any issue with my coming in or leaving with my firearm or having a firearm outside the casino area while on the property.

    I don't normally like handing my firearm over to security, but this was my girlfriend's birthday getaway and we had tons of freebies that we could only use at that casino, so while we could have gone across the street, we wouldn't have gotten our freebies. If you are staying at a hotel, they likely wont bother you if your just going to or coming from your room. If they do stop you, just tell them you are heading out to the strip and wont be remaining on their property with your firearm.

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    How about if you have time and your GF doesn'i object get your NV CCW?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    If you have a CCW that Nevada recognizes, what makes you think you must OC? I believe it would be better for you to keep it concealed while inside the hotel as most are very intolerant of persons with a firearm. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your CCW permits you to do in Nevada.
    Quote Originally Posted by flagellum View Post
    I think his implications are that his CCW covers up UNTIL he gets to Nevada.
    flagellum is correct. Sorry for the confusion. I have a Florida permit that is not recognized by Nevada. My understanding is that while I travel within the state of Nevada I would need to OC if I wish to keep a firearm on my person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoLasVegas View Post
    Sorry, I am not aware of any hotel or casino in Las Vegas that has any policy (written or otherwise) stating they welcome guests with firearms. I would NOT suggest asking for permission to have your firearm when checking in. Your best bet is to carry it unloaded and locked inside your suitcase. Leave it that way while checking in, and get it out once you are in your room. I would suggest booking at a hotel that has in-room safes listed as one of the amenities so you can store it somewhat safely when you are out of the room.
    I understand that most likely no place is going to post a sign or policy that they allow firearms in their facility. I guess what I am asking is: does anyone know of any hotels/casinos that are not posted against firearms, or has anyone stayed at a hotel while OC' ing in and out of the hotel and not been ask to leave the property?

    I agree 100% about the room safe. If I remove the firearm from my person, unload it, place it in my luggage before entering the hotel, this would be a legal way to transport in and out of the hotel? What would turn this into Concealed Carry?



    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    Most hotels will allow you to secure your firearm in the security lockup while you are doing your gambling, dining etc and will not hassle you for coming to or going from your room. But they definitely do not like people drinking, gambling at the tables or slots or in the restaurant while armed.

    While I was in Mesquite for the last few nights, My room did not have a room safe, so I asked if security had a procedure in place to secure my firearm while I was in the casino. They did not have any issue with my coming in or leaving with my firearm or having a firearm outside the casino area while on the property.

    I don't normally like handing my firearm over to security, but this was my girlfriend's birthday getaway and we had tons of freebies that we could only use at that casino, so while we could have gone across the street, we wouldn't have gotten our freebies. If you are staying at a hotel, they likely wont bother you if your just going to or coming from your room. If they do stop you, just tell them you are heading out to the strip and wont be remaining on their property with your firearm.

    I prefer to not give up my firearm to the hotel/security. However, I would be completely happy if they will let me enter/check-in, firearm remains in room during my stay, then leave/check-out while being armed without harassment.

    I have no intention of carrying during my main stay in Vegas. I will be traveling through several states from Illinois to Nevada and would prefer to stay armed during my travels until I reach Vegas. I will be CC' ing through required states and can just tuck in my shirt once I reach the Nevada border and remain legal while OC' ing. Once checked in, I would prefer to leave my firearm in my room safe when I am in the casino's, eating, drinking, gambling etc. Once I'm leaving Vegas, I can OC back to the state where CC is required and untuck my shirt and remain legal all the way back home.

    My biggest concern is that I don't make reservations at some hotel, show up to check in and they have "no firearms allowed" posted of something of this nature, and I'm put in a situation that I don't want to be in with family and friends on vacation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    How about if you have time and your GF doesn'i object get your NV CCW?



    I used Kurt Gepke.

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    he will come to your hotel to teach the course.

    Thank you for the info. I doubt my GF would object, but I will only be in Vegas for 2-3 days with family and friends on vacation. More than likely we will be spending time at the pool, gambling, drinking etc none of which is really conducive to carrying a firearm OC or CC.

    If I came to Vegas on a regular basis, I would definitely look into getting Nevada CC permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paknon2wheels View Post

    My biggest concern is that I don't make reservations at some hotel, show up to check in and they have "no firearms allowed" posted of something of this nature, and I'm put in a situation that I don't want to be in with family and friends on vacation.
    Diffidently don't stay at a Boyd property then. I know they have signs at Main Street station and Sams town. They also own the California and some others but I don't recall them at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabotage70 View Post
    Diffidently don't stay at a Boyd property then. I know they have signs at Main Street station and Sams town. They also own the California and some others but I don't recall them at this point.

    That's a perfect example of a sign that carries no weight of law. It's also a perfect example of how some private property owners creatively word signs to make uneducated people believe they are a part of some legal directive. In this instance, They use the language "Homeland security." Homeland security being a clandestine agency of the Government, some will undoubtedly be duped into believe they could be in violation of federal laws like the Patriot Act if they disobey it. The fact is, this sign simply means, "if you have a firearm, and we find out, we'll probably ask you to leave."

    For any posted sign to be legal, it must state a statute. it is the language of the statute that must be applied, not the language written on the sign. In this instance, there is no statute of State or Federal law that prohibits firearms on those premises, therefore they can not cite one. Some people will attempt to trick you by citing NRS 202.3673. If you come across a sign citing an NRS on private property, the sign is not valid as the statute applies only to public buildings, schools, college campuses and airports. That is publicly owned buildings, not building open to the public. If you come across this sign on a public building and you are OCing, you have not violated the cited statute because your firearm is not concealed. This is just one example, keep in mind there are other statutes that do not have to be posted such as the statute that says you may not carry on school premises in any manner.

    If I remove the firearm from my person, unload it, place it in my luggage before entering the hotel, this would be a legal way to transport in and out of the hotel? What would turn this into Concealed Carry?
    That's a tricky question. If you have firearm in a suitcase and that suit case is not in your hand it is not concealed in the eyes of the law, If you are carrying that suitcase or have it by the handle, it is then "On your person," and is then concealed in the eyes of the law. Will anyone ever know? the chances are slim that your firearm will ever be discovered unless you say something about it.
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    Ah yes, this is exactly the problem I'm trying to avoid. As I understand it the sign has no weight of the law behind it, but as you have stated you could (and most likely would) be ask to leave the property. If I make reservations, show up to check in to my room OC' ing and there is a sign such as this posted more than likely they are going to ask me to leave before I even check in.

    If I choose to disarm prior to entering the hotel, how would I go about the small technicality of getting my firearm into my room? I understand that I can put it in my luggage and 99.9% no one would ever know any different.

    But so far as the legal definitions go, how would one legally transport a firearm? Your saying if the firearm is unloaded and in your luggage (and you're carrying the luggage) that would be the same as CC? Obviously, I have to carry the luggage at some point, so I would be in violation. So what is a legal alternative to get firearm from point A to B without violating this CC interpretation?
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    technically you could get to your room and not touch your suitcase. pull into the valet and have them remove your suitcase and have a bellman take your suitcase during check in and then have the bellman use his cart to get your suitcase to your room where you take possession. I guess the bellman might be in violation but not you. just a suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    For any posted sign to be legal, it must state a statute. it is the language of the statute that must be applied, not the language written on the sign. In this instance, there is no statute of State or Federal law that prohibits firearms on those premises, therefore they can not cite one. Some people will attempt to trick you by citing NRS 202.3673. If you come across a sign citing an NRS on private property, the sign is not valid as the statute applies only to public buildings, schools, college campuses and airports. That is publicly owned buildings, not building open to the public. If you come across this sign on a public building and you are OCing, you have not violated the cited statute because your firearm is not concealed. This is just one example, keep in mind there are other statutes that do not have to be posted such as the statute that says you may not carry on school premises in any manner.
    And here is a perfect example of this. Where they post the statute, but incorrectly quote it. This was at the DMV on Flamingo.



    If and when you ever have to register your handgun at the cop shop, they also have it misquoted. The last time I had to do that I asked an officer on the way out about it. He went from normal to pissy in about .15 seconds. Told me unless I was a cop I could not carry my firearm in the there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    technically you could get to your room and not touch your suitcase. pull into the valet and have them remove your suitcase and have a bellman take your suitcase during check in and then have the bellman use his cart to get your suitcase to your room where you take possession. I guess the bellman might be in violation but not you. just a suggestion.
    Or you could strap it underneath your dog in a dog pouch and have your dog carry it into your room! 202.350 only prevents a "person" from carrying a concealed firearm!

    However, if you're holding onto a leash, that might not work... would the jury find that if you were holding onto the leash that the gun on the dog was carried upon your person? I suppose it depends how the courts want to work that day. If the dog is trained to follow you around however without needing a leash, that might work!

    Okay, I know that was a ridiculous suggestion, it just amuses me.

    I wouldn't put a gun in a case if I didn't have a permit to conceal. I'd just carry it openly. Unless there is a really long check in line I doubt anyone is going to say anything in the time it takes for you to check in and walk up to your room. Or you could check in with it in your car and then walk back to your car and take it up to your room if you are willing to part with it temporarily. That even further reduces the chance that anyone will bother you about it.

    I think most people don't care, it's always that small percent of the people who is going to take issue.

    Just have a backup hotel in mind if the hotel tells you they don't allow guns when you get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post

    For any posted sign to be legal, it must state a statute. it is the language of the statute that must be applied, not the language written on the sign..
    Can you cite this? I have never read that in our NRS. Only that the public entrances must have a sign. I dont think the NRS states that the law must be posted as well.

    here is the line from the code. (b) A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance or a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building, unless the permittee is not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm while he or she is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subsection 4


    I have not found anything that state the statute must be printed as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    technically you could get to your room and not touch your suitcase. pull into the valet and have them remove your suitcase and have a bellman take your suitcase during check in and then have the bellman use his cart to get your suitcase to your room where you take possession. I guess the bellman might be in violation but not you. just a suggestion.

    OMG I love it. Although I would never purposely put an innocent person in that position, the idea of making everything seem okay on a technicality is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felid`Maximus View Post
    I wouldn't put a gun in a case if I didn't have a permit to conceal. I'd just carry it openly. Unless there is a really long check in line I doubt anyone is going to say anything in the time it takes for you to check in and walk up to your room. Or you could check in with it in your car and then walk back to your car and take it up to your room if you are willing to part with it temporarily. That even further reduces the chance that anyone will bother you about it.

    I think most people don't care, it's always that small percent of the people who is going to take issue.

    Just have a backup hotel in mind if the hotel tells you they don't allow guns when you get there.
    Great idea. I can't believe that I did not think about this. It may be a viable option. I would think once I am checked in, and I would simply be walking through the hotel lobby to my room (not standing around waiting to check in) the chances of being seen and asked to leave would be much lower.

    So there really is no way for a person to transport a firearm in Nevada other than OC or CC with permit? If you didn't have a permit to CC and you go to the gun shop and purchase a firearm and leave the store with the firearm in the box that it was shipped in, you would be CC'ing even when the firearm is unloaded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paknon2wheels View Post
    OMG I love it. Although I would never purposely put an innocent person in that position, the idea of making everything seem okay on a technicality is hilarious.

    hey-people have been found not guilty because of a technicality ! At least you can show a jury you tried to comply with the law .

    Remember "if it doesn't fit you must acquit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    hey-people have been found not guilty because of a technicality ! At least you can show a jury you tried to comply with the law .

    Remember "if it doesn't fit you must acquit"
    what were you charged with? and why did they charge you?

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    Vacationing in Vegas Where to Stay

    I usually stay at the Silverton on Blue Diamond Highway when I can't get a hotel in Pahrump. They have a Bass Pro shop next door. I have had no trouble coming and going with a pistol discretely on my hip. There are usually a bunch of front sight students staying there.

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    I meant if Metro charged him and he had to go to court, if he did the suitcase shuffle , he might get off on a technicality.


    PS-apparently this was a crappy attempt at humor
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    Quote Originally Posted by swinokur View Post
    technically you could get to your room and not touch your suitcase. pull into the valet and have them remove your suitcase and have a bellman take your suitcase during check in and then have the bellman use his cart to get your suitcase to your room where you take possession. I guess the bellman might be in violation but not you. just a suggestion.
    Nope. He's at his place of employment, on private property.

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    I went to the Rio about a year ago for a friends birthday party. Walked around OC...asked for directions to the hotel room elevs, went into the room, back down to the casino, stood infront of the main cash cage while my friends placed bets on the roulette wheel, then went to the gold coast to TGIF for some food.

    So while this topic has a lot of replies...short answer - maybe Rio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paknon2wheels View Post

    So there really is no way for a person to transport a firearm in Nevada other than OC or CC with permit? If you didn't have a permit to CC and you go to the gun shop and purchase a firearm and leave the store with the firearm in the box that it was shipped in, you would be CC'ing even when the firearm is unloaded?
    People do this all the time, as well as putting guns in opaque plastic baggies after exiting the gun show. The chances of an officer making an arrest may be fairly low, but carrying a concealed weapon is a felony offense so I wouldn't risk it. The law makes no exceptions for the firearm being unloaded or encased. The law requires that carried firearms are "discernible to ordinary observation." One could perhaps argue that a gun case obviously had a gun in it, but I wouldn't want to have to defend myself in such a case.

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