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Seward Park Jogger Attacked

Beretta92FSLady

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I said it before, a sidearm isn't everything, but it's a good down payment. Good thing she had the fire in her to fight back, even though the SOB had a knife. Just another example for the ladies.


"The moment the jogger in Seattle's Seward Park saw him, her intuition told her something wasn't right. When he attacked, she instinctively fought back"

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013154472_attack14m.html
 

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Good for her and her fighting spirit. We just showed our 2 young girls a video online called, "Just Yell Fire". It teaches them simple to use self defense (for those not old enough to carry) and how to react in a situation like the article talked about.
 

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One other thing, don't smack the jewels, grab them, squeeze and pull.

"Grab them by the b*lls and their hearts and minds will follow!"
 

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To make this more fitting our rules, she would have better prepared to defend herself and might never had been attacked had she been OCing.
 

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To make this more fitting our rules, she would have better prepared to defend herself and might never had been attacked had she been OCing.

She would not have been able to use her weapon in self defense though. Her life was not in danger...

Seattle Times:
The woman suffered a broken nose and facial fractures, but otherwise said she "was not severely injured."

Our laws need to change. If someone steps into your life circle uninvited and is a threat, you should be able to shoot them. It sucks we dont have a clarification on how badly you have to be beaten, bleeding, and near death before you can defend yourself with a firearm. We shouldnt have to be Batman with a utility belt full of crap and go through steps in accordance to equal the threat.
 
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She would not have been able to use her weapon in self defense though. Her life was not in danger...

Seattle Times:
The woman suffered a broken nose and facial fractures, but otherwise said she "was not severely injured."

Our laws need to change. If someone steps into your life circle uninvited and is a threat, you should be able to shoot them. It sucks we dont have a clarification on how badly you have to be beaten, bleeding, and near death before you can defend yourself with a firearm. We shouldnt have to be Batman with a utility belt full of crap and go through steps in accordance to equal the threat.

Are you serious about her not being able to use a gun? Maybe I'm missing something but if someone who grabs me and has a knife and is beating me in the face, I'm gonna figure I'm in danger of grave bodily harm and shoot if I'm able to. He could have stabbed her or slit her throat. He was armed and she wasn't. I'm not being a smart ass, I really want to know why she wouldn't be justified in defending her life with deadly force. If someone with a knife grabbed me, I would assume they meant to do me harm, up to and including killing me.
 

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She would not have been able to use her weapon in self defense though. Her life was not in danger...

Seattle Times:
The woman suffered a broken nose and facial fractures, but otherwise said she "was not severely injured."

Our laws need to change. If someone steps into your life circle uninvited and is a threat, you should be able to shoot them. It sucks we dont have a clarification on how badly you have to be beaten, bleeding, and near death before you can defend yourself with a firearm. We shouldnt have to be Batman with a utility belt full of crap and go through steps in accordance to equal the threat.

If she had been armed, deadly force was authorized.
Man versus Woman Disparity of Force
Being jumped and hit and as it appears being knocked to the ground, no doubt one would be in fear for their life at that moment in time along with him having the ability to inflict grievous bodily harm or death.

It is not about the injury after the attack that one had incurred it is the threat of life or limb.

Thankfully she was able to fight him off.
 

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Originally Posted by Grapeshot
To make this more fitting our rules, she would have better prepared to defend herself and might never had been attacked had she been OCing.

My wife and I had a chat about this very thing this morning.

amzbrady posted:
She would not have been able to use her weapon in self defense though. Her life was not in danger...

I'm with "Ruby" on this one. How was her life not considered in danger if he attacked her and had a knife? Am I missing something obvious? If he was beating her hard enough to cause multiple facial fractures, that could be considered life threatening as well.
As soon as she suffered a decreased level of consciousness, she is dragged off into the bushes and raped and killed.
 

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I was showing how askew the media makes things, they said "she was not severly injured", making it seem that everything is just freaking hunky dory in her life cause she is going to recover. But will she, can she jog without fear like she has up until that point? NO. There are several instances where people have merely even just drawn their weapon without having to take a life and stopped the threat and still are dealing with consequenses of it http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...Facing-Charges-For-Drawing-Weapon-On-Attacker.
What would have happened if the guy had not came along and helped her, where would the attacker have stopped? After a rape, after a murder? The point I was making (evidently I have to spell it out) is that our laws need to change for the victim (or better so that you do not have to be a victim). To many times the victimizer has more rights after a crime than the victim, and if the victim happens to stop the crime through equal or greater force than by most standards by our modern laws, the victimizer has become the victim. That pi$$es me off.
 
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amzbrady, what laws need to change? If I understand them correctly, specifically 9A.16, we already have in place the laws that are needed. We can protect ourselves with a firearm or other weapon if we feel that our lives are in danger or of great bodily harm. Lady against young fit male is already enough to use deadly force if needed because of the disparity of force there.

I do love the whole article though. Lady talking about how she's doing just fine and then goes, "But I still haven't been out of the house." Yah, that's because you are not fine and you can admit that and say that you're working on getting over it.

Also, I'm not buying the she used her might against the young guys and that's the reason that she got away story. If she had done it herself than I would buy it, but I'm honestly thinking that the other man coming to her rescue had a lot more to do with it.

Now before I get flamed, what I'm trying to say is that, as the saying goes, "A man's gotta know his limitations." It's ok to admit that you weren't prepared to fight someone that was half your age and twice as strong. They don't even let professional fighters do that! So it's ok! Just acknowledge the reality of it. Myself, I'm 5'8" 170ish. Not tiny...but there's a lot of people bigger and stronger than me. I just have to acknowledge that and take steps to "equalize" that disparity of force.

Last thing I want to say in this novel is that I find it silly that now she's going to avoid one certain trail, but I'm assuming that all other trails are fair game for her to run? Someone was just talking about this psychological phenomenon the other day. That is, thinking something is more likely to happen because it sticks out in your mind. The Forza Coffee Shop massacre is a prime example of it. And it's the same thing that happened at Crystal Mt. when an avalanche occurred on a certain slope and someone got buried and now that slope has never been reopened. But slopes right by that one have avalanches all the time!
 

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Last thing I want to say in this novel is that I find it silly that now she's going to avoid one certain trail, but I'm assuming that all other trails are fair game for her to run? Someone was just talking about this psychological phenomenon the other day. That is, thinking something is more likely to happen because it sticks out in your mind. The Forza Coffee Shop massacre is a prime example of it. And it's the same thing that happened at Crystal Mt. when an avalanche occurred on a certain slope and someone got buried and now that slope has never been reopened. But slopes right by that one have avalanches all the time!

Psychology 101 - If you do not think about it, it ceases to exist for you. It is the "out of sight, out of mind" thing to the extreme.

Same for businesses and public entities - remove the source of the tragedy from the public's mind and it will cease to be an issue.
 

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What they need to do is put more signs up in the park stating "criminal activity is prohibited."

Someone had commented on the article that jogging with a sidearm is dangerous, and awkward, or something to that effect. If I were to carry while running, I would carry a LCP...very light, as if it wasn't even there. That is, if I was still a runner, I am more of a sitter these days LOL
 
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Psychology 101 - If you do not think about it, it ceases to exist for you. It is the "out of sight, out of mind" thing to the extreme.

Same for businesses and public entities - remove the source of the tragedy from the public's mind and it will cease to be an issue.

So true, Look at the anti's, they think by getting law abiding citizens banned from carrying guns, that will prevent criminals from committing a gun crime. Maybe they think if EVERYONE is unarmed police will magically respond to crimes before they happen.

As far as her not taking a certain trail again, but will use others around it, I dont understand the phylosiphy on that, if anything wouldnt you want to take that trail again, since you know there are people to come to your rescue, and maybe it's like lightining. A crime never strikes the same place twice. Just thought I would inject some of my own idiology in on top of her's.
 

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As far as her not taking a certain trail again, but will use others around it, I dont understand the phylosiphy on that, if anything wouldnt you want to take that trail again, since you know there are people to come to your rescue, and maybe it's like lightining. A crime never strikes the same place twice. Just thought I would inject some of my own idiology in on top of her's.

If I remember correctly the other trails she ran were more open and less secluded - this particular trail was more isolated. At least she seems willing to venture out again.

Lightening and attacks DO strike twice at the same location.

We've all read where a certain branch bank is robbed repeatedly, sometimes by the same perps and then there is this: Serial rapists returns 5 days later to repeat his crime, but is stopped by a 12 gauge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJQK2BscIg
 

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Or just throw a LOL or :lol: after the sarcasm.

Like I have never been sarcastic in this forum :eek::lol::lol::lol:

There is now an "official" Sarcasm emoticon called a "SarkMark". Looks like this:

sarc.jpg


Sort of a special "punctuation mark". Here's more info:

http://mashable.com/2010/01/15/sarcmark/

(isn't a capitalistic society wonderful. Someone has come up with a way to sell punctuation marks now)
 
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Grapeshot

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There is now an "official" Sarcasm emoticon called a "SarkMark". Looks like this:

sarc.jpg


Sort of a special "punctuation mark".

Yep, really look for that to take off big time - I mean its meaning is so readily identifiable. :p
 
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