mparramore
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no doubt..im game!
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What really happened in vancouver last spring
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no doubt..im game!
BigDave
Opt-Out Members
Kirby I cannot say that I am happy it did not go to court but I understand the reasoning and faced with the same circumstances I cannot say I would not have done the same thing. And me being happy has nothing to do what is best for you.
I know there was a wrench thrown in the works when it would have been infront of a jury trial and I feel it was pretty low of the prosecutor to do so as he as well as everyone else need to be in it for the truth and all he did is work the system.
Lets say you were able to continue onto the court case did you have any experts lined up to educate the jury?
Did you attorney plan on educating the jury on what would and would not be alarming along with your past training and experience and on the rights and laws concerning lawful carry.
Just trying to get a little incite into what you were facing if it continued to trial.
And I am guessing but you can still open carry, correct? or will you be open carry or just lay low for this period of time and conceal carry?
Dave
I know there was a wrench thrown in the works when it would have been infront of a jury trial and I feel it was pretty low of the prosecutor to do so as he as well as everyone else need to be in it for the truth and all he did is work the system.
Lets say you were able to continue onto the court case did you have any experts lined up to educate the jury?
Did you attorney plan on educating the jury on what would and would not be alarming along with your past training and experience and on the rights and laws concerning lawful carry.
Just trying to get a little incite into what you were facing if it continued to trial.
And I am guessing but you can still open carry, correct? or will you be open carry or just lay low for this period of time and conceal carry?
Dave
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ridgerunner98570
Regular Member
BATF Form 4473 question #12 g. g. "Have you been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions?" And at the end of the form it says, "I understand that a person who answers “yes” to any of the questions 12b through 12k is prohibited from purchasing or receiving a firearm." I would suppose this would mean he cannot own a firearm. And I am pretty sure that any parents with kids in his class would remove them if they only knew.
KBCraig
Regular Member
A BCD is not the same thing as a dishonorable discharge. A BCD reflects a misdemeanor level conviction at a special court martial; a DD reflects a felony level conviction at a general court martial.
slowfiveoh
Regular Member
Lets put this in perspective....
I have seen soldiers kicked out for failing a urine test, for pot.
On the flip side I was put in charge of a guy once who was arrested in Nurnburg for having a bag of 300 pills of "X", with intent to distribute. He was honorably discharged. No lie at all.
Typically if it goes to court martial and you receive either a BCD or DD, it's because you truly F'd up.
KBCraig
Regular Member
We had an SP4 intelligence specialist from the Regimental S-2 shop, who took a government laptop full of TS-classified battle plans, a HMMWV (including secure commo equipment), and defected to East Germany. A month later, he walked up to the front gate and turned himself in (without any of the stuff he stole, obviously).
He received a general discharge for the good of the service. No prison. I was told it was because they didn't want to reveal how much was actually given over.
So yeah, there is some curious "justice" out there, but unless the discharge is actually dishonorable, it doesn't bar him from firearms ownership.
gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
Thank you.
Kurk, thank you for communicating with us and taking all of the pot shots you have in public. I just tried to provide facts and the truth.
Are you still in possession of your CPL? Will you carry? Will you OC?
We will see you soon I am sure, I will let you know the next time I am in Vancouver. And thanks to your attorney Chris Dumm as well.
Kurk, thank you for communicating with us and taking all of the pot shots you have in public. I just tried to provide facts and the truth.
Are you still in possession of your CPL? Will you carry? Will you OC?
We will see you soon I am sure, I will let you know the next time I am in Vancouver. And thanks to your attorney Chris Dumm as well.
kwikrnu
Banned
It is too bad you didn't receive any support from fellow open carriers. Many talk good game, but when it comes down to it, nothing.
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Trigger Dr
Regular Member
Well said from a person with a questionable history of LEO interactions. (Planned and carried out with intent to go to litigation)
Just Google KWIKRNU
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kwikrnu
Banned
I open carry because I think open carry is the honorable way to carry a firearm. I carry a firearm for self-defense. I know law enforcement doesn't obey the law and knew I would eventually wind up being the victim of unlawful harrassment. I didn't want to sue, but denial of civil rights deserves a lawsuit.
Though i still consider open carry to be legal my wife would beat me to an ireconizable bloody pulp if i open carryed again. that said i had a very well choreographed testamony prepared by my attorneys. i dont think we had any experts.
it was a bad conduct discharged no loss of weapons right as far as federal law we where going to chalange under the fack that the offence is a felony in wa state.
go go, you are welcome at my home anytime. and part of the deal was no marks on my cpl. which worked out well. i think they thought my XD was my only weapon. i think the hardest part of it all is knowing that that XD is brand new it has had 102 rounds fired through it. i took it to the range 3 days before for the first time. oh and we are working to get them to accept the maryland firearms safty class. BZ M1 and goose.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
I am not saying I agree with Kwiknru's actions, don't know enough about them and his laws and police in his state.
But I don't see anything wrong with planned LEO inter-reactions, there is no such thing as entrapment concerning "Law Enforcement Officers" and we as citizens have the right to keep our employees in check as long as we don't break the law in doing so.