kwikrnu
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I've applied for a curio and relic federal firearms license and meet the requirements. When approved what excuse will the State use to continue to deny my handgun carry permit?
Are they connected in law, does one effect the other in law? C&R is a federal license, while a TN HCP is a state permit. I-ANAL
Considering that the the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, I am curious to know how a State may deny the right to carry a firearm to someone who has a federal firearms collector license.
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Doug,
As you can see, he wasn't interested in an actual answer. He was asking a rhetorical question. It was sorta evident in the tone of the first post. The reply I quoted confirmed it.
Think about this thread's rhetorical question in light of his recent postings. Lemme know if you see a pattern.
SNIP I'm soliciting a discussion.
Jeezus, Kwik. Can you even go three posts without twisting something?
Your attempts at evasion and twisting your previous context rise to insult--we are not that stupid.
Your second post was not an invitation to discussion. It shut down discussion. You made it plain right in that second post that you were just tossing out a comment against the government.
In your first post, the denial has not yet occurred. Yet, you ask readers in your third post what the justification is/would be. What? Do you think we're mind readers? Of course you don't think that. The reason you got contorted in the third post was twisting in order to justify the first and second posts.
State vs. Fed. Fed law has different requirements. In addition, it is unclear if Tennessee reports your loss of permit to the Feds. If they do, it may impact your C&R.
Also, the C&R deals more with ownership than carry... Tennessee denied you the privilege to carry, but did not take away your right to own...
But then, I thought you said you werent posting here anymore...
How is the lawsuit going?
I've applied for a curio and relic federal firearms license and meet the requirements. When approved what excuse will the State use to continue to deny my handgun carry permit?
If States may regulate the bearing of arms under what conditions may the regulate? Will they be allowed to regulate further than what we currently see on 4473's?
Those two quotes misalign.
State suspends "shall issue" handgun permit. Permit holder has no criminal record and obtains a C&R FFL. Under the Second Amendment what regulations are States allowed to impose on those who wish to carry firearms? The approval for a C&R FFL is nearly identical to that of the 4473. Will States be allowed to regulate based upon DUI, failure to pay child support, "material likelihood of risk of harm to the public", will hearings be required before the suspension of carry rights? Will States have to allow those who have clean backgrounds the ability to carry?
Under the current SCOTUS opinions on the 2A, "reasonable regulations" are allowed. DUI? Yes, SC has just slapped their state LE division over less. They were denying renewals for excessive traffic citations during the renewal period. Due process? Depends on how the restriction is justified made righteous, process is due only in criminal matters (see civil forfeiture). States "have to allow"? No, see "may issue".Under the Second Amendment what regulations are States allowed to impose on those who wish to carry firearms? ... Will States be allowed to regulate based upon DUI, failure to pay child support, "material likelihood of risk of harm to the public", will hearings be required before the suspension of carry rights? Will States have to allow those who have clean backgrounds the ability to carry?
Under the current SCOTUS opinions on the 2A, "reasonable regulations" are allowed. DUI? Yes, SC has just slapped their state LE division over less. They were denying renewals for excessive traffic citations during the renewal period. Due process? Depends on how the restriction is justified made righteous, process is due only in criminal matters (see civil forfeiture). States "have to allow"? No, see "may issue".
Hmm.
Separate from who is asking, and separate from what they have done, it is a valid question.
Again, the state reports events which would impact the C&R. For example: Misdemeanors and felonies. I am unsure if they report the revocation of a carry permit, but considering it is within the scope of firearms, they may do so... Kwik, all they would report is the revocation, not the reason behind the revocation, as the Feds would not care about the why it was revoked, but if it was revoked...
However, it may be a case of apples and oranges. Here is the key difference: Permit is about allowing carry in public. Permit is not related to ownership of firearms in any way. C&R is specifically about ownership, and license to own special types of firearms as a collector, not a seller...
Odd thing is Kwik, you do not like limits on the 2nd A. The C&R is a license, in effect, a limit on the right of ownership... Which cuts deeper than the carry permit.
I still do not see how it impacts the permit issue.
Under the current SCOTUS opinions on the 2A, "reasonable regulations" are allowed. DUI? Yes, SC has just slapped their state LE division over less. They were denying renewals for excessive traffic citations during the renewal period. Due process? Depends on how the restriction is justified made righteous, process is due only in criminal matters (see civil forfeiture). States "have to allow"? No, see "may issue".