MKEgal
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http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=15086&post=72689&uid=273516596235#post72689
"Research tells us more people carrying more guns in more places won't make us safer. Yet, there is an attempt in Wisconsin to normalize guns in public places like, parks, Culver's, Starbucks, grocery stores and churches. If you encounter people carrying guns in public places, how will you react? What will you do?"
Hey, she knows about the Madison 5 & the Brookfield incident! Aside from the obvious lie included in the question, some of the responses are flat-out hilarious.
Several of them seem to think that criminals won't bring guns into a "gun-free zone", and one of them goes on a rant about "8,900 licenses were just issued to kill peaceful, playful, intelligent bears for heads on wall" [sic].
And then there's the one that says "Any gun is a threat to my safety and peace of mind." Really? So you wouldn't want a police officer to come help you after you were attacked, raped, & robbed?
Wonder how long they'll leave mine up before deleting it as unsupportive?
"The WI Constitution protects the right to keep & bear arms even more strongly than the federal one. The amendment was approved by a 74% vote (a major landslide) in 1998 (modern times). It's open to being re-amended, but with so many people in support that would be hard.
As for what I'd do, seeing someone with a gun, it would depend on what the person was doing. Ordering coffee? I'd probably walk over & chat. Pointing it at someone? I'd get out of the way & try to get where I could stop the bad guy without endangering anyone else.
Instead of basing your responses on feelings, how about learning some facts from the FBI? They published a study several years ago that says criminals DON'T open carry and DON'T use holsters. So if you can see the gun (& it's not pointed at someone) you're probably OK.
(PDFs of the study are posted. IIRC, the finding I referenced is in Ch. 4: http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/violent-encounters.html )
Don't make the mistake of thinking that someone else would act the same way you would. IOW, just because you'd suddenly become deranged & commit mass murder if you had a gun, don't think that other people would. If you look at the facts, people who have permits are even less likely than police to misuse their pistols.
I'm interested to know what WAVE is doing to keep criminals from having weapons? From what I'm reading, it seems that most of your efforts are against law-abiding citizens who don't harm anyone. It's criminals who are the problem. How are you stopping them? (Remember, they don't follow laws, so pushing for more laws won't help the situation.)"
I'm guessing that since I'm not supporting their position, I give facts to support my opposition of their claims, I'm not calling people names, & I'm asking them for real results, my post won't be up long... or maybe they'll treat it like sharks treat chum.
"Research tells us more people carrying more guns in more places won't make us safer. Yet, there is an attempt in Wisconsin to normalize guns in public places like, parks, Culver's, Starbucks, grocery stores and churches. If you encounter people carrying guns in public places, how will you react? What will you do?"
Hey, she knows about the Madison 5 & the Brookfield incident! Aside from the obvious lie included in the question, some of the responses are flat-out hilarious.
Several of them seem to think that criminals won't bring guns into a "gun-free zone", and one of them goes on a rant about "8,900 licenses were just issued to kill peaceful, playful, intelligent bears for heads on wall" [sic].
And then there's the one that says "Any gun is a threat to my safety and peace of mind." Really? So you wouldn't want a police officer to come help you after you were attacked, raped, & robbed?
Wonder how long they'll leave mine up before deleting it as unsupportive?
"The WI Constitution protects the right to keep & bear arms even more strongly than the federal one. The amendment was approved by a 74% vote (a major landslide) in 1998 (modern times). It's open to being re-amended, but with so many people in support that would be hard.
As for what I'd do, seeing someone with a gun, it would depend on what the person was doing. Ordering coffee? I'd probably walk over & chat. Pointing it at someone? I'd get out of the way & try to get where I could stop the bad guy without endangering anyone else.
Instead of basing your responses on feelings, how about learning some facts from the FBI? They published a study several years ago that says criminals DON'T open carry and DON'T use holsters. So if you can see the gun (& it's not pointed at someone) you're probably OK.
(PDFs of the study are posted. IIRC, the finding I referenced is in Ch. 4: http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/violent-encounters.html )
Don't make the mistake of thinking that someone else would act the same way you would. IOW, just because you'd suddenly become deranged & commit mass murder if you had a gun, don't think that other people would. If you look at the facts, people who have permits are even less likely than police to misuse their pistols.
I'm interested to know what WAVE is doing to keep criminals from having weapons? From what I'm reading, it seems that most of your efforts are against law-abiding citizens who don't harm anyone. It's criminals who are the problem. How are you stopping them? (Remember, they don't follow laws, so pushing for more laws won't help the situation.)"
I'm guessing that since I'm not supporting their position, I give facts to support my opposition of their claims, I'm not calling people names, & I'm asking them for real results, my post won't be up long... or maybe they'll treat it like sharks treat chum.
