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    End of OC in Starbucks?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39719692...ews/?gt1=43001

    Starbucks is looking to revamp its image. If an experiment in a refurbished coffee shop in Seattle’s busy Capitol Hill area goes well, the chain could soon be luring you to its stores with wine, beer and a selection of local cheeses, according to a report in USA Today

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    Overwhelming success is the end of lots of businesses, and you must admit that $5 for a cup of coffee is a hell hell of a success.

    Heck, $'Bucks even invented their own word, "barista" with the feminine vowel ending.
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    As of Saturday I am not all that convinced Starbucks was ever all that OC-friendly.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...n-Old-Saybrook

    Of course at least in CT, even if they do start serving alcohol we will still be able to carry there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    Of course at least in CT, even if they do start serving alcohol we will still be able to carry there...
    Same with NV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    As of Saturday I am not all that convinced Starbucks was ever all that OC-friendly.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...n-Old-Saybrook

    Of course at least in CT, even if they do start serving alcohol we will still be able to carry there...
    I understand that you had a bad experience in that Starbucks, but if that employee was going against corporate policy and is disciplined for his actions against policy, then the blame rests solely on him and not on the corporation. Every corporation is going to have it's bad employees.

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    unless they make the establishment off limits to 21 and younger it won't affect us here in Washington.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boyscout399 View Post
    I understand that you had a bad experience in that Starbucks, but if that employee was going against corporate policy and is disciplined for his actions against policy, then the blame rests solely on him and not on the corporation. Every corporation is going to have it's bad employees.
    Every corporation is responsible for its employee's actions as well.

    Never let your guard down, even in a 'safe' place like Starbucks.

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    sold out by the starbuckians?! say it ain't so joe!

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    I believe there is a $10K cost for a liquor license in WI. They would need to spend $10K per location.

    My bet is they'll try this in a few states to see how it goes, won't happen here for at least a year or two and by that time it WON'T matter.
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    Dang, 10 G's for a license?! revenuing! well, there goes my idea for a beer machine at the shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnhcomputing View Post
    I believe there is a $10K cost for a liquor license in WI.
    Absent a citation in Wisc. Stats. law to the contrary, that is not usually so.

    http://www.revenue.wi.gov/faqs/ise/atlicns.html
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    I've heard that some licenses are very expensive. Is that true?

    It depends. Fees are set by local municipalities, with limits set by state law. Certain "Class B" liquor licenses are considered "Reserve Licenses" and are subject to a one-time fee of not less than $10,000. "Class B" liquor licenses are restricted by a population based quota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    Dang, 10 G's for a license?! revenuing! well, there goes my idea for a beer machine at the shop.
    Only need a license if you sell it... you could give it to friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoLasVegas View Post
    Same with NV.
    ..and Va.

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    Not necessarily the end. Not if their policy gives permission for lawful carry in Wisconsin. That's a long stretch however.

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    Quit putting the cart before the horse. This will NOT affect us here in WI for some time. They are going to do it on a trial basis in some of the big cities first.

    Just relax. We don't have to worry about it today.

    Right now we need to concentrate on the ELECTION!

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    It depends on the laws. You can carry and drink in some states. You can carry in even more states without drinking. WI could possibly give us more freedom in the future.

    I honestly don't think Starbucks is going to be a big drinking area. This would hurt the start up businesses who use it as a place to meet clients and conduct business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passive101 View Post
    I honestly don't think Starbucks is going to be a big drinking area. This would hurt the start up businesses who use it as a place to meet clients and conduct business.
    Unfortunately, that doesn't matter. If they have a license, you cannot carry without permission.

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    Could WCI offer a window sticker or decal to retailers that simply states:

    LEGAL
    CARRY
    WELCOME

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    Consider the liability following such an invitation enabled by an entity with no membership control.

    Who would be liable for an incident involving an openly carried weapon? Who would be liable for an incident involving a weapon openly carried by a member of the sponsor of the signage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Consider the liability following such an invitation enabled by an entity with no membership control.

    Who would be liable for an incident involving an openly carried weapon? Who would be liable for an incident involving a weapon openly carried by a member of the sponsor of the signage?
    Exactly. Starbucks has stayed neutral. If they have a liquor license, they would have to renounce neutrality and invite us in. I do not believe they will do that.

    So, we need the law changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnhcomputing View Post
    Quit putting the cart before the horse. This will NOT affect us here in WI for some time. They are going to do it on a trial basis in some of the big cities first.

    Just relax. We don't have to worry about it today.

    Right now we need to concentrate on the ELECTION!
    +1000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Consider the liability following such an invitation enabled by an entity with no membership control.

    Who would be liable for an incident involving an openly carried weapon? Who would be liable for an incident involving a weapon openly carried by a member of the sponsor of the signage?
    Choice carry doesn't have many membership controls either. ( except for no felons, age restrictions ) Would the state be liable?
    We all can be sued for just about anything these days. On one hand we advocate choice carry. We have a list of businesses on another thread that won't let people OC. WCI is involved in several lawsuits. Then we discover we could be sued if we try to protect ourselves with the same weopons that we advocate to have in our possession.
    There are risks in everything we do.

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    Dunno where you guys get some of these ideas/numbers.

    City of Milwaukee Class B Tavern (On premise, liquor, beer & wine) is $610/year.

    Wine or Beer alone is only $110 / yr.

    http://www.ci.mil.wi.us/ImageLibrary...linfosheet.pdf

    Waukesha isn't all that dissimilar.

    http://www.ci.waukesha.wi.us/web/guest/liquorbeer

    LaCrosse...
    http://www.cityoflacrosse.org/index.aspx?NID=424

    Madistan....
    http://www.cityofmadison.com/clerk/d...eeSchedule.pdf

    A municipality has a given number of licenses it can grant. When populations go up, more licenses can be issued, but the new licenses are subject to the $10,000 reserve license fee.

    If the muni is under its "cap" of licenses, there is no $10K fee. (ie if JoeBob's Saloon goes out of businessa nd surrenders its license, McX could pick up that license for the ~ $100 a year....but if the city's allotment of licenses is used up...and the city has grown enough to justify an additional license...someone's gotta pop for the $10K).
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