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Consequences of Carrying at Work

Metalhead47

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I am not looking forward to the Spring/ Summer time when I finally get the Credit/ Money to buy a motorcycle. I'll be carrying while on it and I can't exactly secure it within the vehicle, so it'll have to stay on me.

Bring it to me. I will install a lockbox in such a way that only the Good Lord Himself will get it off without a key (and even He'll have to work at it icon_mrgreen.gif)

So we can be vigilant about carrying everywhere we go other than our place of employment. Unfortunately for many of us, our place of employment is where we spend the majority of our waking hours. Frustrating.

You said it brother.
:banghead::cuss::banghead::cuss::banghead::cuss::cuss::banghead::cuss:

I think next year, someone on here is going to try to get legislation introduced similar to what passed in OK a little while back, that prevents employers from prohibiting employees from storing weapons in their personal vehicles on company property, and also releases the employer from any liability.
 

xxx.jakk.xxx

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Bring it to me. I will install a lockbox in such a way that only the Good Lord Himself will get it off without a key (and even He'll have to work at it View attachment 4313)

I may take you up on that. it will have to not compromise the look of the bike, though. You don't get a Sport Bike without considering the looks and a big box on it would definitely take away from that.
 

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I may take you up on that. it will have to not compromise the look of the bike, though. You don't get a Sport Bike without considering the looks and a big box on it would definitely take away from that.

OK let me rephrase... bring me a bike that has enough room for a box in the first place :lol: Trouble with a sport bike is, any large man can just pick the whole thing up & put it in the back of a truck.:eek:
 

xxx.jakk.xxx

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OK let me rephrase... bring me a bike that has enough room for a box in the first place :lol: Trouble with a sport bike is, any large man can just pick the whole thing up & put it in the back of a truck.:eek:

Yeah, I've heard of groups of guys in Hawaii that just drive trucks around, find bikes, lift them into the truck and drive away. Makes me glad I live in Washington where big island boys aren't as common. Just big rednecks who don't want my "rice burner" of a bike.

Also, I was thinking of having part of the farings taken away and having a mount added to the frame so that I could mount a Serpa CQC on the bike. Would that be easy and possible to do? Basically, it would just consist of welding a piece of metal with 3 holes in it for the screws of the CQC holster to go through. Seems easy enough, I just don't weld.



.... wait... this is about concealing at work. How did we start talking about bike mods?...
 

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+1

To fit the legal definition of "trespassing," doesn't one have to be previously asked to leave, and then refuse or return after being warned?

SNIP

Not necessarily. In WA, Criminal Trespass 1 is defined as: A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree if he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building. RCW 9A.52.070. Criminal Trespass 2 basically substitutes "premises of another" for "building." RCW 9A.52.080. So, if the premises or building is posted "No Weapons Allowed" you could be guilty of entering or remaining unlawfully without being previously asked to leave.
 

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Not necessarily. In WA, Criminal Trespass 1 is defined as: A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree if he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building. RCW 9A.52.070. Criminal Trespass 2 basically substitutes "premises of another" for "building." RCW 9A.52.080. So, if the premises or building is posted "No Weapons Allowed" you could be guilty of entering or remaining unlawfully without being previously asked to leave.

I hear what you're saying, but I'm not clear on the use of the term "unlawfully." If a company sign on the door said "NO WEAPONS ALLOWED" and someone entered with a firearm anyway it wouldn't be unlawful, would it? It would be out of compliance with their policy, but their policy is not law.

Feel free to set me straight if I'm mistaken.
 

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What I want to know, is if it's unlawful for an unarmed security officer to carry on his person, a firearm, while on duty. I know the law states that all *contracted* security officers need to be licensed accordingly to their duties (unarmed or armed), but I'm not sure if it's a lawful act to still carry a firearm while not being licensed as an armed guard.
 

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Yeah, I've heard of groups of guys in Hawaii that just drive trucks around, find bikes, lift them into the truck and drive away. Makes me glad I live in Washington where big island boys aren't as common. Just big rednecks who don't want my "rice burner" of a bike.

Also, I was thinking of having part of the farings taken away and having a mount added to the frame so that I could mount a Serpa CQC on the bike. Would that be easy and possible to do? Basically, it would just consist of welding a piece of metal with 3 holes in it for the screws of the CQC holster to go through. Seems easy enough, I just don't weld.

Yeah pretty easy, assuming the frame is steel & not aluminum. Then take that a step further with a lockbox instead of just a holster. Assuming there's enough room under the plastic.
 

G20-IWB24/7

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I CC'd (secretly) at work until...

I was told by my employer that I was not allowed to carry while 'on the clock.' (this is a small business where I'm in close-proximity with the owner and the other half-dozen employees on a daily basis) So, I carried a Kahr MK9 in an ankle holster every single day, sometimes supplemented by a larger 'primary' gun when I could dress around it. Continued carrying against stated company policy until we had a prowler in our parking lot one morning. I was the first out of the door towards him, with my boss immediately behind me. When we surprised the guy (who had just gotten the door of another employee's truck open and was going for his belongings inside), he was holding a flathead screwdriver in his hand, and jumped back into his vehicle which was just a few feet from the truck he was breaking into. As we ran towards him (we wanted a better description/possibly get him to give-up, etc...) he started to mess with something in his hand (probably the shift knob, but I couldn't see), so before I knew it, my Sig P220ST which had been under my suitcoat was very quickly out and trained on the guy. ("GREAT! Once this is over, I'm fired" was what I was thinking to myself.) He found the gear he was looking for and peeled away and out of our parking lot, as my boss was yelling "We got you!" and repeating the license plate number of his vehicle loud enough so he knew we got his number.

Since that day, the owner has expected me to be armed at all times.

Has the general policy changed? Probably not. But for me it has. ;)

Lesson learned: CC, and do it WELL. The day may come that you absolutely need your weapon, and at that point, you may sway some decision-makers to take a second look at company policies (or at least choose to selectively-enforce them, like mine has).

-G20
 

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I love that most Marine MCWP's come from Army FM's.

This comment reminds me of Fallujah.

1 SF operative is worth 50 marines?

:p

In your dreams buddy. We Marines are the special forces of the branches. MARSOC and Recon are special special. lol. I always love inter service ragging.
 

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I hear what you're saying, but I'm not clear on the use of the term "unlawfully." If a company sign on the door said "NO WEAPONS ALLOWED" and someone entered with a firearm anyway it wouldn't be unlawful, would it? It would be out of compliance with their policy, but their policy is not law.

Feel free to set me straight if I'm mistaken.

Good question. I guess we have to assume this is private property. In that case, it would be lawful for the owner to impose any lawful restriction on access that he/she chooses. Anyone violating such a restriction would, therefore, be acting unlawfully, that is, violating the restriction. The answer probably lies in the section that defines the defenses to a trespass charge, 9A.52.090, which provides, in relevant part:

In any prosecution under RCW 9A.52.070 and 9A.52.080, it is a defense that:

(1) A building involved in an offense under RCW 9A.52.070 was abandoned; or
(2) The premises were at the time open to members of the public and the actor complied with all lawful conditions imposed on access to or remaining in the premises; or
(3) The actor reasonably believed that the owner of the premises, or other person empowered to license access thereto, would have licensed him to enter or remain; (END QUOTE)

The question remains whether NO WEAPONS is a lawful condition to impose on access to private property. The key there is "private" meaning no government action so no 2nd Amendment violation so it would probably fly.

Hope this helps.
 

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most companies probably aren't even going to push it that far. they'll just show you the door and forget about you...
 

John Hardin

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An avid hunter had left his rifle(s) in their car and I guess someone found out about it even though they were secured in their cases and in the trunk out of view. ... Even though he was parked outside of the secure fenced area, the usual employee parking lots are still considered company property and he was fired on the spot and escorted from the premises.
Which is an illustration of why getting this before the legislature after the election is so important:

http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/wa_gun_laws_car.txt

Discussed starting mid-thread here:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...n-Privately-owned-vehicle-on-company-property

It may need to mention rifles, too, though; at the moment it only discusses pistols in the context of CPL.
 

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most companies probably aren't even going to push it that far. they'll just show you the door and forget about you...

Depending on how they wrote their "Employee Handbook". If the handbook provides for "disciplined up to and including termination", they can fire you. If it states a stepped approach such as "first offense, verbal warning, 2nd offense written warning, and termination upon the third offense" then they have to follow the "rules" they wrote or face wrongful termination lawsuits.

I carried at my on my job for 17 years, 10 of which involved numerous office hours. When one conceals properly nobody knows that you are armed. The biggest obstacle for many is "Keeping Your Mouth Shut". A secret is only a secret when only one person knows it and that person is you. Ankle carry, Belly Bands, and even a Kel-Tec P32/P3-AT on a lanyard around your neck can do the job. Day Planner's, Briefcases, and for the engineering types, one of those waist packs that looks like your carrying a "super calculator" can do the job. I sat in a staff meeting one day with an S&W 459 zipped in the back half of a notebook styled briefcase.

When I had to fly I just packed it in my luggage. Used a plastic, lockable case that I kept with my suitcase for the occasion.
 
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