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    a little OT but.....

    i'm a bit confused about something. first, read this....

    http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/21...ymore-gun.html

    note the part that says.....

    and makes it legal to transport a gun in a vehicle even if the person does not have a conceal-and-carry permit.


    i have always understood that this was state law and could not be trumped by any political subdivision. the fact that they have it added to a ballot issue confuses me even more. this should be a non issue.

    have i missed something recently.....or in a past lifetime?

    edit to clarify.....

    the first article i read about this states that the vehicle issue is for folks over 21 which we all know mirrors state law.

    http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/26...be-on-nov.html


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    This is covered by state law already. Either these local politicians are ignorant of it, or they added as a scare factor.

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    Oh and did you see the part where the act like no one can carry in city parks???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cash50 View Post
    Oh and did you see the part where the act like no one can carry in city parks???
    actually some towns have that ordinance so it's not out of the ordinary, but the car thing is over the top.
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    Even though they may have an ordinance that prohibits carry in a city park it is an illegal ordinance. They can only regulate carry in city owned buildings per state law.
    But they can prohibit open carry by ordinance.
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    Here is a copy of my reply to this topic over on MoCarry:

    There is so much wrong information in the article, that it's hard to say who in that town is more confused; the people for the ordinance, or the people against it.

    For example, this statement:
    "Cox is highly critical of the effort and dismisses criticism that his ordinance is anti-Second Amendment because it allows council members to carry concealed weapons during meetings, but not citizens in the audience.

    State law prohibits that. His ordinance did, however, include a resolution in which Raymore asked the Missouri General Assembly to rescind a ban on citizens carrying guns at council meetings."
    I spent 45 minutes on the phone with Jeff Cox explaining some of these statutes to him this past spring. He was made fully aware at that time that the City has all the authority they need to allow CCW holders to carry their firearms into council meeting WITHOUT any change to anything in RSMO 571. There IS NO STATE BAN on carry in council meetings by CCW holders.

    And this excerpt from the article:
    "Council member Jeff Cox, who introduced the ordinance, and a group that has joined him in opposing the ballot measure, have been pushing the message to voters that the ballot question would “disarm police” by not making an exception for police officers carrying concealed weapons into city-owned buildings, including police headquarters."
    I sure hope they aren't using that line of argument because it will shoot their credibility down the toilet.

    Then there is the nonsense about prohibiting concealed firearms in parks and transporting firearms in vehicles......I don't know. Sounds like these folks don't know whether they are coming or going.

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    Like a lot of people, they are truly unaware of what one can and can't do in Missouri. But they certainly think they know.

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    this just occurred to me.....

    can they get in trouble for putting to a vote something that is already state law?


    and BTW, i did a search for "Raymore, MO gun" and nearly every article that popped up stated that car carry was already legal. i wonder if the Raymore powers that be actually read the paper?
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