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    Sacramento County (California) goes "shall issue" on concealed handgun permits!

    http://www.sunherald.com/2010/10/25/...eaffirmed.html

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    BELLEVUE, Wash. & SAN CARLOS, Calif. -- The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and the Calguns Foundation have dismissed their case against Sacramento County, California and its Sheriff, John McGinness, after the Sheriff modified his handgun carry permitting policy. Law-abiding Sacramento County residents may now successfully apply for permits to carry handguns by asserting self-defense as a basis for carry permit issuance. A one-year residency requirement has been eliminated, as has policy language that tied self-defense to arbitrary geographic factors.
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    Sacramanto County! WOW!

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    MY buddy is going to be so excited. I was just talking to him the other day about california open carry laws. He was surprised, and a bit leery about what i was saying(i should have brought him a flyer). Anywho, this is good news for sac county gun owners.
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    Interesting that this news release is on an Mississippi site. I couldn't find any reference to it in the Sac Bee.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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    It went through PR Newswire. It's posted on SacBee now.

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    For those that are A&G fans here is a copy of the email I have sent Armstrong and Getty who interviewed the Sheriff recently about this subject.

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    Second Amendment Win In Sac County

    http://www.sunherald.com/2010/10/25/...eaffirmed.html

    Sheriff John McGinness was right, he didn't lose the lawsuit he faced, because he DID what he should have done to begin with and the suit was dropped!

    I still say you shouldn't prostrate yourself to the Government and ask permission for your rights, just Open Carry, you know, "Bear Arms". CaliforniaOpenCarry.org
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    shhhh

    shhhhh...
    did you hear that???
    i think i heard the first domino falling!!

    ive been expecting something like this to happen,
    ever since edward peruta posted about the benevolent friends of the police stuff!!
    i know they are different cases, but it was strong juju..
    and then the call for folks in all the counties!
    i just kept my fingers crossed, and went to my happy place!
    CONGRATS!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post

    I still say you shouldn't prostrate yourself to the Government and ask permission for your rights, just Open Carry, you know, "Bear Arms". CaliforniaOpenCarry.org
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    There are some 1st A. benefits to being licensed to carry in CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cato View Post
    There are some 1st A. benefits to being licensed to carry in CA.
    And that is unfortunate, as you shouldn't need to ask permission for something that is your RIGHT. The system should be that the Government TAKES your rights through due process of law, not grant it if you ask.

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    Let's not rest...

    Let's not rest until ALL counties in California are "shall issue"!! This is really good news....

    For those in Sacramento county, congrats! ...and please continue to fight the good fight for the rest of us stuck in other parts of the People's Republik of Kalifornia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caskydiver View Post

    For those in Sacramento county, congrats! ...and please continue to fight the good fight for the rest of us stuck in other parts of the People's Republik of Kalifornia.
    And your partcipation is needed to accomplish that! Volunteer! http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=353115

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    The SDSO should have done just that. If Gore did just that, Peruta's lawsuit could have been dropped. If he losses (I think the county would), not only would they have to change their policies but the SDSO would have been the trigger that would resonate through the entire PRK. Can you imagine the discussion when the Chiefs come together for a dinner after a court loss?

    Enjoy it Sacramento!

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    More evidence

    .. that our country is Blessed by God.
    We can make changes in our country peaceably.

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    If I could take my AR with me,.....I might just go back to Cali.

    Hrmmm.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Keagy View Post
    .. that our country is Blessed by God.
    We can make changes in our country peaceably.
    Amen to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    If I could take my AR with me,.....I might just go back to Cali.

    Hrmmm.....

    Uhm... you can take your AR with you- it just needs to fit through the flowchart found here.
    http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Uhm... you can take your AR with you- it just needs to fit through the flowchart found here.
    http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
    Hopefully for him it doesn't...and never will.

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    How does this effect incorporated Cities?
    I live in Riverside City, Riverside County.
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Keagy View Post
    How does this effect incorporated Cities?
    I live in Riverside City, Riverside County.
    Thanks!
    Not at all, unless they're in a county that decides to be shall issue.

    Future litigation may have a further reaching state wide effect, but this pretty well means nothing to your county that I am aware of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Nice chart, when I moved back to CA I had to get an approved lower.

    Hopefully the issues going on in San Diego will result in the same outcome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Keagy View Post
    How does this effect incorporated Cities?
    I live in Riverside City, Riverside County.
    Thanks!
    You can get more information at: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=353861 They are fighting to make all counties shall issue.

    Also this case which very well make CA shall issue as well: http://www.ctgunrights.com/00.Webpag...to.Dismiss.htm

    Calguns Foundation also has a similar case (Sykes) however I am not familiar with it.

    I thought I read an article awhile back that the Sheriff for Riverside county was accepting "self defense" as good cause??? Correct me if I'm wrong please Riverside residents.

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    RE: Sacramento County Goes "Shall-Issue"...

    Now let's see if we can get this to happen down in Solano County. I'm a little nervous to OC in Vallejo, but I've heard a bunch about the OC-"Rally" that happened awhile back at the park downtown, so the more I OC there, I'm more comfortable with it...

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    That flowchart was farking ridiculous.
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    Should I take this to mean that only Sacramento County Residents get the permit? Can non-residents apply? If you move, does it nullify the permit?
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