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    Boy, 4, shoots mom with shotgun...

    Can a 4 year old even handle a shotgun? Something seems fishy about this story.




    Posted By Stacia Glenn on October 25, 2010 at 5:58 pm Share this
    UPDATE: A 4-year-old boy shot and wounded his mother inside their South Kitsap home today, according to the Kitsap County Sheriff’s Office.
    The 23-year-old woman was on the telephone with her back turned to her son when the boy loaded a shell into a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun and pulled the trigger.
    She was struck in the left side and taken to Tacoma General Hospital. Deputy Scott Wilson said she was expected to be released tonight.
    Sheriff’s detectives have ruled the incident, which occurred at 4:15 p.m. in the 10400 block of Glenwood Road Southwest, an accident although they are continuing to investigate.
    The woman’s 2-year-old daughter was also in the home at the time of the shooting.
    The mother told detectives she was unaware that her son had access to the shotgun. Her boyfriend, who is the boy’s father, allegedly gave the child a shotgun shell previously when the boy expressed curiosity about guns.
    INITIAL POST: A woman was accidentally shot and wounded by her 4-year-old son today, according to the Kitsap County Sheriff’s Office.
    KIRO-TV reports that the incident took place on Glennwood Road Southwest near the Burley-Ollala area just after 4 p.m.
    Details about how the shooting happened have not been released.




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    dad gives son a shotgun shell....kids finds shotgun, loads it, and shoots mom?
    If guns cause crime.....mine must be defective.

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    I agree. Something about this story does smell






    I spent many hours shooting a Remington 1100 (semi-auto shotgun) and to load it was not hard but somewhat complicated. Just releasing the bolt after putting a shell in the chamber requires a little effort. The length of most semi-auto shotguns is enough to make them unwieldy to most 4 year olds. I just don't see it happening as it was described.

    At the very least this incident points out how some people are extremely careless with their firearms around young children. At the worst, my question would be "where was the boyfriend when this happened?????? (sorry, just my suspicious mind)
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    Seems that the more likely case would be that the father left the shotgun loaded where the child could get it... That's just my take one it.
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    I would be surprised, and a little bit impressed, if a 4 year old managed to not only load a cartridge but also rack the slide on a shotgun!?!?!

    I can see how you might be able to teach a kid to do so... but mine could barely manage TV remotes and legos at 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daddy4count View Post
    I would be surprised, and a little bit impressed, if a 4 year old managed to not only load a cartridge but also rack the slide on a shotgun!?!?!

    I can see how you might be able to teach a kid to do so... but mine could barely manage TV remotes and legos at 4 years.
    For most semi-auto shotguns it's not a case of "racking the slide". The bolt has to be pulled back using a relatively small handle. When loading one for single shot, the shell has to be inserted from the ejection port and then the bolt has to be released. The method varies from model to model but for example, a Remington 1100 has a release "button" on the bottom of the action and it doesn't release all that easy. It requires a fair amount of pressure.

    With this in mind, I would be more than impressed if the average 4 year old could do this, I would be amazed. Then again, there are some amazing 4 year olds out there. I still think there was something else in this case that is not revealed yet.
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    Some follow up...

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    On Monday afternoon, the boy's father was away from the family's home in the 10400 block of Glenwood Road Southwest in South Kitsap County. While his mother was on the phone with her back toward him, the boy found an unloaded semiautomatic 12-gauge shotgun under a blanket on the bed, police said.
    The bolt was pulled back and locked open, Wilson said. "All the kid did was drop the shell in the chamber, touch the bolt release and pull the trigger," Wilson said. "He had probably seen his dad do it a hundred times."
    Wilson said the shotgun was still on the bed when it went off and that the boy did not lift it.
    A chair that was between the mother and the shotgun absorbed some of the impact, possibly preventing greater injury, Wilson said.
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    I can see it happening with a kid that is good at "monkey see."

    It sounds damn odd, but my oldest boy could have done it at 4 if he saw me do it twice.
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    Shame on the dad for leaving a shotgun under the blanket on the bed. Certainly not where I keep mine.
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    For the price of one gun...

    You can buy many simple yet effective gun safes. This will prevent accidents of this kind. It will slow or stop thefts of opportunity.

    http://www.centurionsafes.com/gun2.html
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    I would like to see them demonstrate with a 4 year old how that happened, given the size and wieght of the shotgun vs the size of the 4 year old. All without bouncing the barrel off the ground a few times not make a huge racket, or at least enough noise for the mom to hear it.

    I wonder if they checked the kid for powder residue or the gun for prints?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    You can buy many simple yet effective gun safes. This will prevent accidents of this kind. It will slow or stop thefts of opportunity.

    http://www.centurionsafes.com/gun2.html

    I don't have any kids at home, but this IS my next major firearm related purchase; hopefully before the end of the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I don't have any kids at home, but this IS my next major firearm related purchase; hopefully before the end of the year.
    Get the kid to help you operate it so you don't have to read the instructions. Oops! Sorry!

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    This...

    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    You can buy many simple yet effective gun safes. This will prevent accidents of this kind. It will slow or stop thefts of opportunity.

    http://www.centurionsafes.com/gun2.html
    I got my safe in the closet, closet door can be locked as well. Plus, my teenage kids are well trained. - rule#1 Safety First.
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    I have 2 gun safes. One, an older safe is left unlocked with the door ajar. Inside is an old 16 ga singleshot that is completely inoperative, and cannot be made to fire. This is my "bait gun" in the event of a break in, this is what they will take. The other safe can be looked at directly, from as close as 6 feet, and you will never know you are looking at a safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    I have 2 gun safes. One, an older safe is left unlocked with the door ajar. Inside is an old 16 ga singleshot that is completely inoperative, and cannot be made to fire. This is my "bait gun" in the event of a break in, this is what they will take. The other safe can be looked at directly, from as close as 6 feet, and you will never know you are looking at a safe.
    What was your address again, I seem to have misplaced it, LOL seriously I have several bait guns around that are broken hopefully that works.

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    Here's my take:

    Accidental shooting triggers revival of ‘safe storage’ debate

    A shooting mishap Monday in Kitsap County that left a 23-year-old mom wounded by shotgun pellets after her 4-year-old son managed to load a live round into a semi-auto shotgun lying on her bed is bound to set off a renewed push for “safe storage” legislation in Olympia when the Legislature convenes in January.

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...storage-debate

    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/24hgthg

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    I was 3 when I picked up my dad's S&W service revolver and pulled the trigger, double action (obviously holding it with two hands). If the boy had the shotgun on his lap while playing with it, the angle could have been just right.

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    I have a 4 YO granddaughter and if I were to allow her to watch me load my 1100, I don't doubt that after only a very few observations she could do it.
    That said, she is already trained in the Eddie Eagle "Don't touch it, go tell an adult" style of firearms dealings. She's not afraid, just knows they can be dangerous and PaPa takes care of them. She may not. They are also all out of reach at this household.
    It seems the child dropped a shell in the open chamber, hit the bolt release, and pulled the trigger, all without even picking up the shotgun.
    Plenty of common sense rules broken here.
    I'm sad for the family that has to learn this way. It was a preventable accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    I would like to see them demonstrate with a 4 year old how that happened, given the size and wieght of the shotgun vs the size of the 4 year old. All without bouncing the barrel off the ground a few times not make a huge racket, or at least enough noise for the mom to hear it.

    I wonder if they checked the kid for powder residue or the gun for prints?
    When my older son was 4 he could have done it no problem. Hell he pulled a door and frame on the studs at 3 1/2.
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    I have two grandsons who are four years old. I have no doubts whatsoever that either one of these boys could have done exactly what that 4 year old did. They are smart, and strong. And mimicking Dad and granddad is what they do all day long. J/S. That's why I keep my firearms safely stored, and my service weapon out of reach. Where there is a will, they will find a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daddy4count View Post
    I would be surprised, and a little bit impressed, if a 4 year old managed to not only load a cartridge but also rack the slide on a shotgun!?!?!

    I can see how you might be able to teach a kid to do so... but mine could barely manage TV remotes and legos at 4 years.
    Are you kidding, by the time my kids were 3 I had to ask them how to use any electronic devices. .

    Although I think a kid could do it it is again very very fishy, the mom never hear/saw the loading or the sound of the racking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    the mom never hear/saw the loading or the sound of the racking?
    That part doesn't surprise me. Ever notice the number of people who really aren't here anymore? They're constantly on the cell phone or texting. The other day I was in the grocery store. Some gal was texting and pushing her cart down the aisle. I saw her coming and just stopped at the side of the aisle. She ran her cart right into mine before she noticed I was standing there. Of course there were apology's. I just suggested that she should either shop or Text as she obviously couldn't do both at the same time and moved on.

    Todays parents all too often just tune out their young children when they're in the house. They'll be on the phone with someone all day long. The cell phone has allowed them to not loose a word as they go from house to public to back again. The kids just go about their mischief while "mom" is yakking away and unless they see blood, they're oblivious to what's going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    That part doesn't surprise me. Ever notice the number of people who really aren't here anymore? They're constantly on the cell phone or texting. The other day I was in the grocery store. Some gal was texting and pushing her cart down the aisle. I saw her coming and just stopped at the side of the aisle. She ran her cart right into mine before she noticed I was standing there. Of course there were apology's. I just suggested that she should either shop or Text as she obviously couldn't do both at the same time and moved on.

    Todays parents all too often just tune out their young children when they're in the house. They'll be on the phone with someone all day long. The cell phone has allowed them to not loose a word as they go from house to public to back again. The kids just go about their mischief while "mom" is yakking away and unless they see blood, they're oblivious to what's going on.
    Yea you got a point there. Lack of parenting and situational awareness when it comes to children is rampant.

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