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    Appropriate attire to OC

    I have heard many times that one needs to have a "neat" and "clean cut" appearance if they are going to OC. I call BS on this.

    It is my personal experience that choise of appearance has ZERO to do with if someone will be treated poorly while OCing....One might be treated better if clean shaven in khakis and a polo sportin a buzz cut (cop look) but I don't think this is a requirement to OC.

    I am 40yo with long hair and a beard, over 6 foot tall and a bit overweight. In the evenings and weekends I wear unironed and sometimes tussled shorts, t-shirt and sandals or hiking boots. I look like an old hippy.

    I don't freak out soccer moms and I don't get proned out by LE.

    I have OCed in ripped old dirty clothes covered in grease going into town to get a starter for the old truck, noone ran screaming from the gas station or parts store.

    If we want OC to become mainstream then we can't all try to look like cops. We need to be just ordinary folks.

    If you wanna dress "nice" and be "clean cut" then that is great. But don't try to tell those of us who prefer comfort over style and choose not to shave that we shouldn't OC unless we conform to some kind of arbitrary standard.

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    This does not belong in the Alabama forum. The General forum (or your Georgia forum) would be more appropriate.
    Last edited by eye95; 10-28-2010 at 01:57 PM.

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    I put it in the Alabama forum because that is where the discussion started. I did not want to take the topic where this was discussed anymore off topic. Also since I do visit AL I thought that since there apparently is a requirement in AL to dress nice that I needed some more information.

    Since OC attire is apparently not an issue in GA then there is no real reason to put it there.

    Putting it in General discussion is fine though.

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    Seems rather elitist, doesn't it?

    "You have to dress and act the way we say else you are unfit to be one of us, to OC."

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    "A free man must not be told how to think, either by the government or by social activists. He may certainly be shown the right way, but he must not accept being forced into it." -Jeff Cooper

    Those who TELL you how to live I have no respect for. I have respect for those who give a factually opinion but don't force me to agree with them, but allow me to decide for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    "A free man must not be told how to think, either by the government or by social activists. He may certainly be shown the right way, but he must not accept being forced into it." -Jeff Cooper
    Good quote. The problem that I noted earlier is that "giving advice" was interpreted as "telling." "Giving advice" is more like showing a way ("the right way" is an opinion), not "forcing."

    I advise dressing neatly when carrying. All are, of course, free to ignore this advice.

    Folks may feel free to say that I can't "tell" them how to dress. I've made my point, and, barring anything new or startling developing here, I'll just quietly bow out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    Seems rather elitist, doesn't it?

    "You have to dress and act the way we say else you are unfit to be one of us, to OC."
    Well you needn't worry about that since OC in Texas is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWbiker View Post
    Well you needn't worry about that since OC in Texas is illegal.
    Not for long.

    I'm also going to be visiting Kansas in February, if not sooner.

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    No dress code for me, thanks. It's a t-shirt or polo untucked for me. My pants vary from cargo, khakis, jeans, and shorts (If I'm feeling frisky). I might even wear a baseball cap with a WSU Cougar on the front.
    Last edited by DCKilla; 10-29-2010 at 02:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Good quote. The problem that I noted earlier is that "giving advice" was interpreted as "telling." "Giving advice" is more like showing a way ("the right way" is an opinion), not "forcing."
    But see, that's the thing. There should not be ONE "right way". Everyone should be able to OC in their daily lives. Everyone just looking like LE does very little for the cause of OCing in daily life.

    It is bad advise and tells people who do not fit your arbitrary OC dress code that they should not OC. And in places where OC is required you are telling them not to carry at all.

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    where what you like. I like a clean cut professional look, Shirt with a collar, tucked in hair and beard neatly trimmed, but none of those things define a law abiding citizen. I know plenty of guys who look like bikers right out of prison who are some of the most mild mannered and civilized people on earth. I judge people based on their actions and their behavior, not on stereotypes.

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    My two cents:

    Most of what I've seen on OCDO (which is an incomplete sample, of course) isn't folks telling others how to dress to OC. What I've seen in several threads over time is folks explaining that dressing "somewhat respectably" (it goes without saying that the standard varies from person to person) may mitigate some of the negative encounters people have.

    Like it or not, people stereotype you based on how you look, walk, talk, and act. It's a fact of life. If someone decides to OC in frayed cutoff jeans and a Grateful Dead tank top, like it or not, that person may get extra "attention" than if he or she were wearing non-trashed jeans/khakis and a polo shirt. Again, like it or not, it's just what happens when you move amongst the sea of humanity. While we would like for that to change, and for OC to be viewed as normal no matter how you're dressed, it isn't at this time.

    If that doesn't deter you, then dress as you wish. Just be aware that your appearance and manners may affect how you are viewed and treated by others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    Most of what I've seen on OCDO (which is an incomplete sample, of course) isn't folks telling others how to dress to OC. What I've seen in several threads over time is folks explaining that dressing "somewhat respectably" (it goes without saying that the standard varies from person to person) may mitigate some of the negative encounters people have.
    Someone giving advice to a new OCer that they should dress "neat" and be "clean cut" is very bad advice. We should be encouraging people to OC in their daily life not trying to mandate how they look. If we want to have a conversation about why you believe that the way you dress is better than the way I dress is fine but telling new OCers that they must be "neat" and "clean cut" or they shouldn't OC (or carry at all for that matter) is quite irresponsible.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    While we would like for that to change, and for OC to be viewed as normal no matter how you're dressed, it isn't at this time.
    And it will never change if all the public ever sees is LEO types OCing. They need to see people of all types OCing. Should women have had to keep their ankles covered because people were just not used to seeing women wear what they choose?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4angrybadgers View Post
    If that doesn't deter you, then dress as you wish. Just be aware that your appearance and manners may affect how you are viewed and treated by others.
    It does not and I will. The thoughts and actions of others have no bearing on my life. Should I shave my beard or cut my hair because some blue hair church lady does not like it? Should I have my tattoos removed because some get upset at the site of ink?

    When I first thought about OCing I almost decided not to because of this attitude...."You need to be clean cut and have a neat appearance." I am very glad I decided not to listen to that advice.

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    It never ceases to amaze me how "advise" and "mandate" can be confused.
    Last edited by eye95; 10-29-2010 at 02:33 PM. Reason: Replace "who" with "how."

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me who "advise" and "mandate" can be confused.
    How does a new OCer know the difference? If the old hats with a high post counts say things like...

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Also, you shouldn't have to, but it does pay to be clean cut and decently dressed while OC-ing.
    Which is saying that "It ain't right but you "have to" be clean cut and dressed well" in order to OC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    It is possible to have long hair and a beard and to wear jeans and a t-shirt and maintain a neat appearance.
    Which is saying "as long as your beard is trimmed short and your hair is brushed and clean and in a pony tail you can OC but don't try it in ripped jeans or a scruffy beard or a leather jacket."

    It is telling those new to OC that they should not bother if they are not willing to fit your arbitrary dress code.

    You have no evidence (even anecdotally) that your "right way" is the right way.

    So, you are actively discouraging a segment of the population that may otherwise OC (or carry at all) who either cannot afford to, don't know how to, are just uncomfortable or don't want to fitting into your arbitrary "neat" and "clean cut" OC "suggestion".

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    You know what is so great about banging your head on a wall?

    It feels so good when you stop.

    Stopping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    I like a clean cut professional look, Shirt with a collar, tucked in hair and beard neatly trimmed,...
    tucked in where

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    Personally, I wear whatever the hell I want to when I OC. If I get my my rights violated by an LEO because I don't look like I should carry a gun, then he and the department will have a lawsuit coming their way. If I scare some anti so bad she soils herself in the middle of Walmart because my jeans are dirty and I have a .45, then I suggest she wears a depends. It's not complete freedom if there are stipulations. And isn't that what we all want? unrestricted constitutional carry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by COMMANDER1911 View Post
    Personally, I wear whatever the hell I want to when I OC. If I get my my rights violated by an LEO because I don't look like I should carry a gun, then he and the department will have a lawsuit coming their way. If I scare some anti so bad she soils herself in the middle of Walmart because my jeans are dirty and I have a .45, then I suggest she wears a depends. It's not complete freedom if there are stipulations. And isn't that what we all want? unrestricted constitutional carry?
    Bingo.

    One shouldn't feel like he/ she has to change out of their norm simply because they happen to be carrying. Clean cut, shabby, soaked in Vitalis, ripped jeans, shirts with weirdo reptiles on them, sandals, boots, suspenders, whatever....

    Just be yourself, whatever you may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COMMANDER1911 View Post
    Personally, I wear whatever the hell I want to when I OC. If I get my my rights violated by an LEO because I don't look like I should carry a gun, then he and the department will have a lawsuit coming their way. If I scare some anti so bad she soils herself in the middle of Walmart because my jeans are dirty and I have a .45, then I suggest she wears a depends. It's not complete freedom if there are stipulations. And isn't that what we all want? unrestricted constitutional carry?
    Are you telling us Georgia now has unrestricted Constitutional Carry of a handgun? (No CCW permit for CC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWbiker View Post
    Are you telling us Georgia now has unrestricted Constitutional Carry of a handgun? (No CCW permit for CC)
    Negative, but isn't that the goal for all states? And last time I checked, proper attire isn't in the GA criminal codebook under concealed carry of a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfish View Post
    But don't try to tell those of us who prefer comfort over style and choose not to shave that we shouldn't OC unless we conform to some kind of arbitrary standard.
    wanna call BS on something then call it on the idea that one must choose between comfort and style. silly boy, you can have both. I sometimes get a chuckle out of non-thinking guys who opine that unless I'm in worn, torn, faded jeans and a past its prime tee shirt that I'm not comfortable. I, like most, enjoy jeans and a tee shirt, but, when one learns how to buy clothes that fit properly he can be just as comfortable in a three piece suit as his favorite pair of jeans. I do it all the time. OC is proper for the Gary Cooper types too!!

    we can do quite well without chiding from either side. if someone critizes your attire don't worry about it. let it go. ignore them.

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    Cool

    In all my OC experience, I've only seen signs requiring shirts and shoes. I would suggest a sturdy belt to hold up your gun.

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    Exclamation UR missing the point

    IMHO some are missing the point completely. There is no minimum standard as to how one chooses to dress, shave or not, or even that you stand up straight - nor should there be.

    What exists is the perception of others (how they see us) and the battle to influence them on our behalf. Our image, conduct and even how we speak is constantly being judged by others - people will define you and categorize you. It is human nature. To not acknowledge that basic truth is to sell yourself short and to the detriment of the rest of us.

    Who here would say that they care so little for what we are trying to accomplish that "I do what I want?" Can you be dirty from work, slumping from fatigue and OC or CC? - most assuredly, but what is so difficult as to clean up and shape up at the earliest opportunity - let the light shine through.
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    Team 1: OC in professional looking clothes so that you will be well received. Though you do not have to.

    Team 2: Wear what you want, it will help people get used to seeing OCers in normal, everyday clothing.

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