paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
http://www.rhinelanderdailynews.com/articles/2010/10/28/news/doc4cc9904cab02d702918720.txt
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I hadn't seen this before.
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I hadn't seen this before.
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Walker - Disorderly Conduct Law needs revision
- Thread starter paul@paul-fisher.com
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Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
I agree with Scott in concept with what he is saying. My only issue is that JB Van Hollen ALREADY CLARIFIED the DC statute.
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If cities like Madison who GOT the memo are going to ignore it, what we need is not clarification, its punishment for the cities that IGNORE the clarification that was already issued.
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If cities like Madison who GOT the memo are going to ignore it, what we need is not clarification, its punishment for the cities that IGNORE the clarification that was already issued.
paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
I agree!!
I do disagree with Walker, however, that concealed carry will eliminate the problem.
Some ninny will still call the cops because my t-shirt doesn't always fit over my fat ass and my gun will pop out. The police need to know how to deal with it properly no matter what.
Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
Indeed. conceal carry will mask the problem in many cases, but won't solve the problem.
bnhcomputing
Founder's Club Member
Except for a few of the colder months, concealed carry won't matter to me either. I OC today, will tomorrow, and intend to continue to OC after WI has CCW.
I never found a good way to CC. If at 3 o clock, my lub handles receive too much pressure from my holster and I get some chaffing, evening with an undershirt. If somewhere between 3-6 o clock, I print. And there is no way I'm carrying 12-3 o clock!
Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
Yup, I agree. For me personally, OC is the most practical most of the time.
In the winter I'll throw a jacket on that may partially conceal. If I'm going to a crowded event where there is shoulder to shoulder people (concert/festival) I'll likely get an armpit holster and go concealed, but most of the time OC is just the most practical way to carry.
I think people who don't carry at all now, will realize as soon as they start to CC (when that becomes legal) that they will want a choice of how to carry depending on the situation and not want government telling them how they HAVE to carry.
In the winter I'll throw a jacket on that may partially conceal. If I'm going to a crowded event where there is shoulder to shoulder people (concert/festival) I'll likely get an armpit holster and go concealed, but most of the time OC is just the most practical way to carry.
I think people who don't carry at all now, will realize as soon as they start to CC (when that becomes legal) that they will want a choice of how to carry depending on the situation and not want government telling them how they HAVE to carry.
Spartacus
Banned
Right.
It makes me nervous when lawmakers seek to "clarify" a statute as they can also bungle it up even further. The DC statute was one of the ones I was tried for and found not guilty of and the language was exceptionally written and very clear.
It takes a real effort to be disorderly and any "clarification" may only muddy the water.
Captain Nemo
Regular Member
Spartacus got this one right. Too often when politicians set out to build a horse we end up with a camel.
The solution of conceal carry v open carry is recind statute 941.23 so we have what Article I section 25 intended, CHOICE of CARRY.
The solution of conceal carry v open carry is recind statute 941.23 so we have what Article I section 25 intended, CHOICE of CARRY.
oak1971
Regular Member
CC is nice, but until everyone gets used to guns in public, we all will run the risk of unwarranted hassles.
We shouldn't need a permit for either.
Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
In my own personal experience and and a year and a half of keeping up with the experiences of other OC'ers in Wisconsin the ONLY hassles I've ever heard of associated with OC were instigated by the police. All other interactions definitely don't rise anywhere close to the level of hassles.
AaronS
Regular Member
I thought I had seen that Walker would sign the first CC bill that crosses his desk. Just thinking, has anyone started to write this bill? I would think that the state would respect a bill handed to it from its own people. If we do not put it togeather, I bet outside people will "help" make it for us. I would also bet if the bill is not from us, a permit will be installed into law. I would love to draw this bill up, but I do not have the skill or understanding of law that is needed.
Any takers?
Any takers?
Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
Considering there is en election next tuesday that will send a while new assembly and half of the state senate to Madison we don't even know who will be where until tuesday.
Come Wednesday we should know who is in and immediately set out to find ONE legislator willing to introduce a repeal of 941.23.
Unfortunately the "state" doesn't respect anything handed to it from its people. There is a legislative process and we could certainly offer language to a bill to a legislator to introduce.
A repeal of 941.23 seems to be pretty basic language in my opinion. We just need to see who's in on Wednesday and start ringing phones and making contact .
Doug Huffman
Banned
Learn how the Wisconsin government works. Read the Blue Book.
The Legislative Reference Bureau writes ALL legislation at the request of and with input from legislators.
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/lrb/rss/bluebook.xml
Ahh, what a well timed retort. Too bad I edited out the ad homina.
The Legislative Reference Bureau writes ALL legislation at the request of and with input from legislators.
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/lrb/rss/bluebook.xml
Ahh, what a well timed retort. Too bad I edited out the ad homina.
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Flipper
Campaign Veteran
.....and the LRB staffers writing the legislation are failed attorneys living in Madison who copy laws from Minnesota....
ckmorley
Regular Member
I prefer CC myself.
A shoulder holster or behind my hip solves all my issues.
ckmorley
A shoulder holster or behind my hip solves all my issues.
ckmorley
oak1971
Regular Member
The police aren't the only ones I'm concerned with. Problem is, one person with a bug up their butt and a cell phone can send the police my way to hassle and or arrest me. It's both the cell phone gestapo and the Police who need to be desensitized.
Some States: Utah, Arizona, and others; have already passed an Open Carry Bill that specifically allows:
1. Persons to Openly Carry Firearms, AND
2. To communicate to another that the Firearm is being Openly Carried.
*** Open Carry is Legal anyway, these Laws were passed to protect against Disorderly and Reckless Conduct Charges. ***
1. Persons to Openly Carry Firearms, AND
2. To communicate to another that the Firearm is being Openly Carried.
*** Open Carry is Legal anyway, these Laws were passed to protect against Disorderly and Reckless Conduct Charges. ***
J.Gleason
Banned
Ahhh but an assemblyman can bring forward a state assemby bill (AB) to the table for legislation, which if passed then goes on to the state senate where the bill then picks up sponsors in the senate. From there if it passes it is drafted into law and then signed or vetoed by the Governor.
My suggestion, if waiting until after election, start with Krista Burns.
Hell ask her now so she can get things started.
My suggestion, if waiting until after election, start with Krista Burns.
Hell ask her now so she can get things started.
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Doug Huffman
Banned
So to what are you taking exception - the "but"?