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what legally defines a hospital?

lil_freak_66

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We all know hospitals are OC w/ cpl only zones....

but what about places like doctors offices,would a cpl be required for such a place?

its something ive pondered for awhile now and i figure now is as good a time as any to ask...
 

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i'll expand on his question. what about after hour clinics? say like the one on hall road? its a beaumont emergency clinic, not a hospital but i suppose an in between? from doctor office and actual hospital, would that be a hospital under law??

great thread lil!
 

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Can't speak to any SPECIAL definitions in your states law but from my experience in the health care field since 1979 here is my take on it....

Hospital: location where Patients are admitted, provided a bed and meals and are cared for on a 24/7 basis.
Stand alone emergency centers, clinics, URGENT care centers, dialysis centers, etc": locations in which OUT patients are cared for on a less than 24/7 basis. OVERNIGHT STAYS aren't expected by the clients and meals are not provided.

Also, a Hospital would need to be licensed as such by either the State or Federal Government and/or accredited by a recognized authority such as JCAHO.
 
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found this definition for a Michigan Hospital

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Part201mcl-368-1978-17-201generalprovisions_62376_7.pdf

(5) “Hospital” means a facility offering inpatient, overnight care, and services for observation, diagnosis, and active treatment of an individual with a medical, surgical, obstetric, chronic, or rehabilitative condition requiring the daily direction or supervision of a physician. Hospital does not include a mental health hospital licensed or operated by the department of community health or a hospital operated by the department of corrections
 
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The beds are a key I think.. Overnight inpatient care "a facility offering inpatient, overnight care, and services for....."


well done Onnie

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found this definition for a Michigan Hospital

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Part201mcl-368-1978-17-201generalprovisions_62376_7.pdf

(5) “Hospital” means a facility offering inpatient, overnight care, and services for observation, diagnosis, and active treatment of an individual with a medical, surgical, obstetric, chronic, or rehabilitative condition requiring the daily direction or supervision of a physician. Hospital does not include a mental health hospital licensed or operated by the department of community health or a hospital operated by the department of corrections
 
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NHCGRPR45

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found this definition for a Michigan Hospital

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Part201mcl-368-1978-17-201generalprovisions_62376_7.pdf

(5) “Hospital” means a facility offering inpatient, overnight care, and services for observation, diagnosis, and active treatment of an individual with a medical, surgical, obstetric, chronic, or rehabilitative condition requiring the daily direction or supervision of a physician. Hospital does not include a mental health hospital licensed or operated by the department of community health or a hospital operated by the department of corrections


great job! now if we could just get around private property rights all would be well in smurfville!
 

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Since it's not defined in the act in question, it may be appropriate to rely on a dictionary definition.

When in doubt, ask a lawyer though.
 

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so by using that definition,an urgent care place or doctors office is NOT a restricted carry zone,and no cpl is needed for open carry there,correct?
 

lapeer20m

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I disagree.

In my opinion, private property rights should trump state and federal law. If it's your place, you should be able to set the rules. The .gov shouldn't be able to tell you who can or can't smoke in your building. As a private property owner you should also be able to decide who can carry at your establishment. ie: if you own a hospital, or a bar, or a sports arena, you should be able to decide if people can carry there.

If you don't like the rules at a particular property, ie: a restaurant that allows smoking, then you are free to go to a different establishment. The government should not be telling you what you can and cannot do on your own property.
 

stainless1911

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In the home we agree. In a business, no. The owner opened the business in a country that had peoples rights in place first. They knew it when they opened. If they want to restrict activities, they need to operate as a club with members. If they don't like the country's rights, then let them choose a different country to open up their business in.
 

budlight

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so by using that definition,an urgent care place or doctors office is NOT a restricted carry zone,and no cpl is needed for open carry there,correct?

For doctors offices this is correct, UNLESS (like any other private business) there is a sign stating no firearms or you are told by a representative of the business that firearms are not allowed.

For urgent care, make sure that the building is not attached to the hospital, on hospital property, or any other way that someone could "twist" into defining as a hospital. I can picture some over zealous officer or prosecutor trying to make an urgent care fit into the definition of a hospital if it was on the same grounds or attached to the building. Remember, even if they are wrong, if you are charged it will cost money to defend the case.
 
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TheQ

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I disagree.

In my opinion, private property rights should trump state and federal law. If it's your place, you should be able to set the rules. The .gov shouldn't be able to tell you who can or can't smoke in your building. As a private property owner you should also be able to decide who can carry at your establishment. ie: if you own a hospital, or a bar, or a sports arena, you should be able to decide if people can carry there.

If you don't like the rules at a particular property, ie: a restaurant that allows smoking, then you are free to go to a different establishment. The government should not be telling you what you can and cannot do on your own property.

+1 +1
 

TheQ

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In the home we agree. In a business, no. The owner opened the business in a country that had peoples rights in place first. They knew it when they opened. If they want to restrict activities, they need to operate as a club with members. If they don't like the country's rights, then let them choose a different country to open up their business in.

-1
 

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How about an out building on hospital property? A building outside and not attatched by a catwalk, coverd breezway or anything...just on the outer edges of the parking lot and used as a community room or classroom?
 
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