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    It's your vote, use it and don't waste it!

    It is time to vote; use it but don’t abuse it
    "We have already seen signs of political rebellion; Arizona’s illegal alien statute, and Montana’s Firearms Freedom Act that has been copied by other states and is now the subject of federal litigation. And then there is the Tea Party movement...

    "...Voters have an opportunity to send people to Capitol Hill who believe in smaller, less-intrusive government and balanced budgets; the kind of people who really don't care how many firearms one owns, what kind they are or how they are stored. It is none of their business and certainly none of the government's business."

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...don-t-abuse-it

    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/2czefgo

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    Just thought I'd give folks another crack at my sig.

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    "Ye shall be known by the company you keep".

    This little mantra should be your guest whenever you enter a voting booth. Remember with whom a candidate associates and from where his support comes.

    Gentlemen... keep the faith and hopefully, we will all have something to celebrate tomorrow and the week ahead.
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    As is permissible under Utah State law, I voted this morning while armed. At Utah polls you are given a sticker that reads "I voted". It is usually stuck to your shirt pocket or similar location. I accepted my sticker and placed it in the usual spot. Then, remembering something I'd read in the Utah forum from one of our members who voted early, I asked for a second sticker and placed it on my OWB retention holster.

    I'm thinking that sticker will remain on my holster as long as possible, or until after our legislature adjourns the middle of March.

    Whether or not you are legally allowed to bear arms into your polling place, if your polling locations provide such stickers you might consider saving one to put onto your OC holster. I happen to think this is a nearly perfect political statement to make: "I'm a gun owner; I carry my gun; AND I vote!"

    Also, I agree with previous posters who have noted that we need to consider not only how an individual candidate will vote relative to RKBA, but how his/her vote for congressional or legislative leadership will either assist or hinder the cause of RKBA generally. A guy who would vote right on RKBA personally, but who votes for leadership that will not allow pro-RKBA bills to come to the floor is not nearly as good a guy who is good on RKBA personally AND who will vote for leadership that supports RKBA as well.

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    I OC'ed while voting at Royal Oak High School, no issues, no stares. As it should be.

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ms...2_336854_7.pdf

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    Dave,

    You lost me with "don't waste your vote" and "third-party delusions" and "protest votes."

    While there are plenty of supporters for "don't waste your vote", their rationales too often ring that little bit hollow. And, none have responded squarely to me about:

    I will not afflict my fellow human beings with either major party. Period. I would not point a gun in your face and demand money from you; I will not depute someone from one of the two major parties to point a gun at you for me under the guise of an election.


    No matter which major party held the reigns these last several generations, government power and intrusion went up and freedom went down. Dems, Republicans--didn't matter, each abused their power at our expense, operating for their own interests. They're just two wings of the same party. The "Keep Ourselves in Power Party" or "The Self-Interested Dealing Party."

    The lesser of two evils is still evil.

    Who cares if the Dems get re-elected and drive the country into the ground, as if the Republicans don't do the same thing, just from a different angle. The angle is still acute, and a crater still results.

    They know how much they can get away with as long as they let us keep our guns and bibles. They've been doing it at least since 1913.

    Gun rights hardly matter if you let the government pick you clean, drive the economy into the ground, destroy the value of your savings, and burden yourself and your posterity with crushing debt or taxes.

    I refuse to be party to it. I have too much respect for my fellow man. I shall not vote for a major party candidate. I did not vote for a major party candidate.

    How long are you willing to go on afflicting your family, friends, and neighbors for the sake of gun rights? For the sake of comfortably choosing the lesser of two evils, as opposed to telling both evils to go to hell, and facing them squarely when the time comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Dave,

    You lost me with "don't waste your vote" and "third-party delusions" and "protest votes."

    While there are plenty of supporters for "don't waste your vote", their rationales too often ring that little bit hollow. And, none have responded squarely to me about:

    I will not afflict my fellow human beings with either major party. Period. I would not point a gun in your face and demand money from you; I will not depute someone from one of the two major parties to point a gun at you for me under the guise of an election.


    No matter which major party held the reigns these last several generations, government power and intrusion went up and freedom went down. Dems, Republicans--didn't matter, each abused their power at our expense, operating for their own interests. They're just two wings of the same party. The "Keep Ourselves in Power Party" or "The Self-Interested Dealing Party."

    The lesser of two evils is still evil.

    Who cares if the Dems get re-elected and drive the country into the ground, as if the Republicans don't do the same thing, just from a different angle. The angle is still acute, and a crater still results.

    They know how much they can get away with as long as they let us keep our guns and bibles. They've been doing it at least since 1913.

    Gun rights hardly matter if you let the government pick you clean, drive the economy into the ground, destroy the value of your savings, and burden yourself and your posterity with crushing debt or taxes.

    I refuse to be party to it. I have too much respect for my fellow man. I shall not vote for a major party candidate. I did not vote for a major party candidate.

    How long are you willing to go on afflicting your family, friends, and neighbors for the sake of gun rights? For the sake of comfortably choosing the lesser of two evils, as opposed to telling both evils to go to hell, and facing them squarely when the time comes.

    I agree 100%. Those who say don't vote on him because your wasting your vote are those whom I loose all respect for and want the status quo to stay the same. yet dont let the facts about your vote below effect your stupidity of that idea.

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    To run the numbers, I created a Monte Carlo computer simulation model and ran well over 300,000 simulations. My model has two pretty evenly matched main political parties and three smaller ones that fight over roughly ten percent of the vote total. I defined voting groups, each with probability distributions. With these groups defined, I ran multiple runs of the model at 5,000 iterations (5,000 elections) each while varying the number of total voters.

    It turns out that your one vote, and mine too, has a probability of swinging any evenly-matched election based on the following formula: Probability equals 3.64 divided by N, where N is the total number of votes cast. So for a small election, say for a homeowners' association with 100 members, your probability of casting the vote that determines the outcome is about 3.64 percent (or 0.0364). Stated differently, you'd have to vote in 27.5 elections to determine a single one. As we move up to the state and national level, the odds fall dramatically. With 11 million voters in California, where my friend and I live, the probability drops to 3.3 x 10-7 (0.00000033), which means that you'd have to vote in over three million presidential elections to determine the winner in California just once.

    Of course, California isn't the whole country. California currently has 55 electoral votes out of a total of 538, with 270 needed to elect a president. Since 1852, when Californians first voted for U.S. president, California has been a key swing state in only two presidential elections. In 1876, California cast 6 electoral votes for Rutherford B. Hayes, who beat Samuel J. Tilden by the razor-thin margin of 185 to 184. In 1916, California cast 13 electoral votes for Woodrow Wilson, who beat Charles E. Hughes by 277 to 254. In either election, if California voters had gone the other direction, the national totals would have followed. In every other presidential election, however, the winner was determined regardless of how Californians voted. By acknowledging that California has been a swing state in only two of its 38 elections (5.3%), we can get to our final answer: A voter in California would have to vote in 57.5 million elections to determine one President of the United States.

    Your one vote has the same power to affect the results whether you vote for a major or minor candidate, but a vote for the candidate you respect and agree with gives you the expectation of a better outcome. If you are like me and do take the time and effort to vote, you should put your X beside the candidate you think will be the best president, not the one most likely to beat the guy you dislike. The myth of the wasted third-party vote is just that – a myth. If there is a wasted vote, it is the one cast futilely against the candidate you dislike in an attempt to swing the national election."

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/hooper1.html Copyright © 2004 LewRockwell.com
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    Thanks for the link, Zac. Interesting reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    The myth of the wasted third-party vote is just that – a myth.[/b]
    I'm a registered statistician, and while your efforts with respect to a monte carlo simulation are commendable, your statistics, and their implied conclusion, are flawed.

    Furthermore, voting theory, even the proportional representation stratification of simple majority rule as we use here in the U.S. for presidential elections, has its roots in game theory as much as it does in statistics, a fact which your monte carlo simulation doesn't consider.

    Here's a brief example combining elements from both statistical and game theory.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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