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    Open Carry Voting

    I will be open carrying my Sig 229 while voting tomorrow 2 Nov 2010. It is a great feeling to open carry while voting.

    My voting place is a private lodge, so no silly school laws apply.

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    My location is a school.

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    Voted already at the museum, didn't carry.
    In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis View Post
    My location is a school.
    mine too
    Carry On.

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    Voted OC last time, will again tomorrow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis View Post
    My location is a school.
    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    mine too
    I have to go to school tomorrow, too. School sucks!

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    I have to vote in a church. Am I good to OC there?
    (I can't believe I don't know the answer to this.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin108 View Post
    I have to vote in a church. Am I good to OC there?
    (I can't believe I don't know the answer to this.)
    Hmmm...

    Worst case scenario, you get arrested.

    Making lemons from lemonade, you can eventually get the church law ruled unconstitutional for being overly vague, and maybe win a civil suit lottery.

    Check back later and let us know how it went.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin108 View Post
    I have to vote in a church. Am I good to OC there?
    (I can't believe I don't know the answer to this.)
    The code says without sufficient reason but does not define it further. There is a picture on the internet somewhere of a list of shootings in churches over the last few decades. That's reason enough for me.

    I know many who have carried in a church. Most of them chose to CC during services; there are stories of ministers CCing as well. Never heard of OC for voting. You could be the first.

    There are different sorts of arguments including that the building isn't a church unless it's Sunday when all the people are there. I'll leave you to the OCDO search feature.
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    Carry in Place of Worship

    Quote Originally Posted by t33j View Post
    The code says without sufficient reason but does not define it further. There is a picture on the internet somewhere of a list of shootings in churches over the last few decades. That's reason enough for me.

    I know many who have carried in a church. Most of them chose to CC during services; there are stories of ministers CCing as well. Never heard of OC for voting. You could be the first.

    There are different sorts of arguments including that the building isn't a church unless it's Sunday when all the people are there. I'll leave you to the OCDO search feature.
    More specifically, the Code says:

    § 18.2-283. Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship.
    If any person carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon, without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.

    The key conditional phrase is "while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place". My civic league meets in a church on Monday evenings. I carry without violating the law. Even so, the church is still private property, and I could be asked to leave by someone in authority.

    So, if your polling place is inside a place of worship, and no worship services are in progress, and no church official asks you to leave, you should be good to go.

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    my voting place is at a school

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocholsteroc View Post
    my voting place is at a school.
    Same.

    Wasn't it interesting to see a uniformed NORFOLK police officer openly carrying his firearm while voting in VIRGINIA BEACH (I know it's allowed) while the rest of the serfs are required to trade one right for the exercise of another?

    Deplorable state of affairs.
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    I open carried when I voted absentee at Isle of Wight's Voting Registration Office last week. No issues

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    I vote in an elementary school. I have before and will today OC an empty holster and two mag cases.

    Following the suggestion of someone else, I will place my "I Voted" sticker on my holster. It may stay there for a long time.
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    I Voted Early at DMV

    I open carried into the DMV Building to cast my vote early. The election officials did not even raise an eyebrow, but the Security Guard made came in and out of the room several times.

    As I was leaving, he was watching me and stood near the exit door. It appeared that he wanted to confront me, but I kept walking in a normal manner, looked at him and said: "How are you doing?", as I would anybody and walked on out the door.

    I did not look back to see if he was watching me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    I vote in an elementary school. I have before and will today OC an empty holster and two mag cases.

    Following the suggestion of someone else, I will place my "I Voted" sticker on my holster. It may stay there for a long time.

    LOL... +1. All my voting places were always in schools until I moved to PA.

    I was going to post the pic I took of my "I Voted" stuck to the side of my Serpa-holstered 1911, but the file is "too large"... bleh.

    The wife and I were spotted outside by a guy handing out stuff. He liked it, he was CCing while there. We had a very nice conversation!

    Otherwise uneventful. This is (IIRC) my 3rd election OCing, all uneventful.

    Got it...

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    My voting place was in a school that had been dismissed for the day due to voting activities. This is the normal turn of events. Sad I must give up one supposedly constitutionally protected right to exercise another.

    Regarding church carry I've OCed at my own church during clean up days or when dropping by to visit during non-meeting times. No one said a negative word and those who mentioned it had no problem with it at all. I would be curious how a LEO who swears to uphold the constitution as a duty of employment could rightfully justify an arrest of someone merely carrying a firearm during a church service under Virginia Legislative Code 18.3-283. On the surface the law seems to interfere with the free exercise of ones religion, and appears to make a law that respects the self defense rights of those whose religious convitctions lead them to chose to avoid religious meetings, while requiring those who practice their religion by meeting together for worship to give up access to their means of self defense.
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    I voted today, at a school. I too will voice that it is a shame that I must give up one right to exercise another
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    Same.

    Wasn't it interesting to see a uniformed NORFOLK police officer openly carrying his firearm while voting in VIRGINIA BEACH (I know it's allowed) while the rest of the serfs are required to trade one right for the exercise of another?

    Deplorable state of affairs.
    I only hope it changes, with this GMU lawsuit, I hope it we win it and they rule public schools also.

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    mine's K-12 also. But at least now we can leave it secured in a container in our vehicles on school property while we vote. They really need to get rid of the K-12 ban...or move polling places to new locations where one's rights are not abridged.

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    Legal Possession of Firearms at the Polls

    My Norfolk precinct poll is located in the gymnasium of a former elementary school, which, I learned today, is now classified as an “abandoned building”. I was confident that there was no prohibition regarding carrying in a polling place. I had considered OCing to the polls, but decided against it, rather than have a philosophical discussion with a LEO about whether the building is or is not a school.

    When I arrived, I saw a long time neighbor and fellow Navy vet, who was again serving as the chief election officer at the poll. I also know that he is pro-2A. We exchanged pleasantries, and I mentioned that I had considered carrying, but chose not to for the reason I mentioned. It was then that he told me that the poll was located in an “abandoned structure.” I replied that I could have OCed, after all. He quickly replied that he had anticipated the possibility of voters carrying, so he had carefully reviewed his written instructions contained in a thick binder.

    Here is what he said. If a voter arrived CCing, AND his CHP was clearly visible upon his person, e.g. pinned to his clothing, then there would be no problem. I asked how he would know if a voter were CCing, and he said that, as a pro-2A and carrier himself, he knew where to look and what to look for. He went on to say that OC was expressly prohibited.

    I mentioned State preemption and asked who had issued these instructions. He replied that the Electoral Board issued them and he produced the binder, with the applicable page regarding weapons tabbed. It was not clear if these regulations were State of local in origin.

    He showed the page to me, and I read it quickly, so I am paraphrasing here, and I hope I have stated it accurately. The policy regarding CC was as described above. It went on to state that OC was prohibited and instructed poll officials to immediately call 9-1-1, if a voter arrived OCing.

    Of course, I stated that an Electoral Board was not empowered to issue weapons prohibitions and again referenced State preemption. While he is a knowledgeable gun owner, he did not agree. I expect that he had sworn an oath to uphold the election law and policies contained in the binder.

    I have done a quick Internet search for the regulations, but have been unable to find a source or even a mention of carrying firearms while voting. I would expect that the regulations would be a FOIA document and available to the public on request. I will visit the Electoral Board and ask to see the regulations.

    Here is the contact information for the Norfolk Electoral Board:

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    Mailing Address:
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    ROOM 808
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    Phone:
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    Locality Voter Registration Office Contact Information
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    NORFOLK CITY
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    Physical Address:
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    Fax:
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    Hours:
    Monday thru Friday - 8:30 am - 5:00 pm


    If the Electoral Board has overstepped its authority, we have two years to correct this problem.

    As has been said elsewhere, there is no reason to surrender one right in order to exercise another
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    Quote Originally Posted by USNA69 View Post
    If the Electoral Board has overstepped its authority, we have two years to correct this problem.
    Wrong. This is not our problem, it is theirs.

    There is nothing I can find in the State Code granting them authority to prohibit lawful carry of any sort.

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+TOC2402000

    Tell your "friend" he is full of horse puckey and they'd better get their "rules" in order before they find themselves facing down a civil rights lawsuit - which they will lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USNA69 View Post
    If the Electoral Board has overstepped its authority, we have two years to correct this problem. ]
    Two Years?! I don't know about you, but, between primaries, special election, state house and senate elections, and other local elections, I find myself at the polls at least two or three times every year. If this was in my area, and I wasn't already being denied my rights by having to vote in a school, I would see to it that this got fixed ASAP.

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    Sounds like something the VCDL might be interested in
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    Great Minds ....

    Quote Originally Posted by t33j View Post
    Sounds like something the VCDL might be interested in
    I sent my entry above to Philip by e-mail shortly before posting it here.

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