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    Could my 18 year old son legally carry a handgun in Vermont?

    He will be 18 soon. We don't have anything planned. I am curious if in the free state of Vermont he could carry one of my handguns if we were visiting.

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    Yes your son can possess a handgun and carry it on his person in the state of Vermont. Since a 16yo can possess one with adult supervision. He just cannot purchase any handgun ammunition, we don't have very many roadblocks when it comes to where you can and can't go with a OC/CC'd handgun.

    You can go into restaurants, banks, bars, other shops, etc that you want too here. except for any federal, state or municipal buildings. IE: no Federal or State credit unions, City halls, Court houses, etc.

    We do have private property laws in that if a business owner asks you to leave because of the firearm you must leave.

    almost all of the PD's and VSP are very cognizant of the firearms/carry laws of the state. You don't have to tell them that you are carrying a firearm, it is just common courtesy to do so.

    A handgun maybe carried loaded in your vehicle OC/CC, But not long guns. The term loaded for Vermont means this:

    No rounds in the magazine or the chamber area of a firearm, or if it has a detachable magazine. To not be in the mag well. You can have them openly displayed or cased in the vehicle, But if you are on the Federal highway system (I-91,I-89) You cannot have them in a rifle window rack..

    Vermont Fish and Wildlife has the responsibility to enforce most firearms laws in the state. Grab a fish and wildlife book anywhere that sells hunting/fishing licenses to get one.

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    Thank you for the replies.

    It is quite comforting knowing that there still is a place that respects liberty.

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    WRONG!

    Vermont ALLOWS Open Carry and Concealed Carry in Public Buildings, just not Public Institutions.

    The relevant Vermont Statute are:

    § 4003. Carrying dangerous weapons.
    A Person who Carries a Dangerous or Deadly Weapon, Openly or Concealed..., within any State Institution or upon the Grounds or Lands Owned or Leased for the use of such Institution, without the Approval of the Warden or Superintendent of the Institution, shall be Imprisoned not more than Two Years or Fined..., $200.00, or both.

    § 4004. Possession of Dangerous or Deadly Weapon in a School Bus or School Building or on School Property.
    (a) No Person shall knowingly Possess a Firearm or a Dangerous or Deadly Weapon while within a School Building or on a School Bus. A Person who Violates this Section shall, for the First Offense, be Imprisoned not more than One Year or Fined..., $1,000.00, or both..., etc..

    § 4016. Weapons in Court.
    (a) As used in this Section: (1) 'Courthouse" means a Building or any Portion of a Building designated by the Supreme Court of Vermont as a Courthouse.
    (b) A Person who, while within a Courthouse [as defined under (a)(1) of § 4016], and without Authorization from the Court..., (1) Carries or Has in His or her Possession a Firearm..., (2) shall be Imprisoned not more than One Year or Fined..., $500.00, or both.

    The ONLY PLACES off-limits in Vermont are: 1. State Institutions [Prisons and Mental Health Assylums], 2. Schools [K-12 AND COLLEGES/Universites, whether Public, Private, or Parochial], AND 3. Courthouses [designated as such per (a)(1) of § 4016].

    Local Governments may not Ban Firearms in Public Buildings throughout Vermont under Vermont Code § 2295.

    § 2295. Authority of Municipal and County Governments to Regulate Firearms, Ammunition..., etc..
    Except as otherwise provided by Law, no Town, City or Incorporated Village, by Ordinance, Resolution or other Enactment, shall Directly Regulate..., the Possession, Ownership, Transportation, Transfer, Sale, Purchase, Carrying, Licensing or Registration of..., Firearms, Ammunition or Components of Firearms or Ammunition. This Section shall not Limit the Powers Conferred upon a Town, City or Incorporated Village under Section 2291(8) [§2291(8) provides: To Regulate or Prohibit the Use or Discharge, but not Possession of, Firearms within the Municipality..., but shall not effect any Sport Shooting Range, as that Term is defined in Section 5227 of Title 10 of this Title]..., The Provisions of this Section shall Supersede any Inconsistent Provisions of a Municipal Charter.

    Open Carry, or Concealed Carry, absent Criminal Intent, is Permitted in ALL non-State Facilities in Vermont, in accordance with the clear and unambigous Vermont Laws, as cited above.

    Schools are OFF LIMITS!

    Furthermore, Banks [to include: Federal AND State Credit Unions] are Legal to Open or Conceal Carry thereupon, BUT they are Private Property, and they can Regulate their Private Property as they wish. Simply put, if you are adked to Leave, you have to Leave when asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1911a1lvr View Post
    except for any federal, state or municipal buildings. IE: no Federal or State credit unions....
    Credit unions and banks are not federal or state buildings! They are private businesses, no matter what they're named.


    But if you are on the Federal highway system (I-91,I-89) You cannot have them in a rifle window rack..
    Now we've reached the level of double baloney. Hogwash!
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    yes

    yes he can , you need to be at least 16 . i am 17 and i open carry

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    not true about adult supervision

    not true about adult supervision ... . he dont need a supervision to own , concealed or openly carry a firearm .!!!! but he can not buy handguns from FFL dealer . i know because i live in vt and i open carry !!!! ccccccc

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    Open Carry 18

    He is allowed to carry in Vermont at 18. In fact I think 16 is the age to carry, but I am not 100% sure. All I can say looking back is at 18 I was no way mature enough to handle carrying a weapon that may be used for defense in a crowded setting with lot's of bystanders. The only place you would need it in Vermont is the Old North End of Burlington, and I doubt you will be putting "Little Somalia" on your vacation agenda. IMHO it should be 21 to carry a handgun (18 if you are military), and 16 a long gun with a safety course and hunting license. Sorry but 16 or 18 is generally not mature enough to make deadly force decisions in public. I have 30 years as an NRA instructor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    The only place you would need it in Vermont is the Old North End of Burlington...
    Please consult your crystal ball, and tell me where else I might possibly "need" a gun. I make it a firm rule to never go anywhere where I need a gun. If I can't avoid going, I don't go alone with just a handgun; I go with friends, with long guns.


    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    IMHO it should be 21 to carry a handgun (18 if you are military), and 16 a long gun with a safety course and hunting license. Sorry but 16 or 18 is generally not mature enough to make deadly force decisions in public.
    So, what other arbitrary restrictions would you impose?


    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    I have 30 years as an NRA instructor.
    Oops, never mind. I can only assume that you would prefer that Vermont switch from "constitutional carry" to a licensed carry system, with your NRA courses sufficing for proof of competence.

    *feh*

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    Thumbs down Are you serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    he is allowed to carry in vermont at 18. In fact i think 16 is the age to carry, but i am not 100% sure. All i can say looking back is at 18 i was no way mature enough to handle carrying a weapon that may be used for defense in a crowded setting with lot's of bystanders. The only place you would need it in vermont is the old north end of burlington, and i doubt you will be putting "little somalia" on your vacation agenda. Imho it should be 21 to carry a handgun (18 if you are military), and 16 a long gun with a safety course and hunting license. Sorry but 16 or 18 is generally not mature enough to make deadly force decisions in public. I have 30 years as an nra instructor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M1911a1lvr View Post
    --snip--if you are on the Federal highway system (I-91,I-89) You cannot have them in a rifle window rack
    Cite please - this is news to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    He is allowed to carry in Vermont at 18. In fact I think 16 is the age to carry, but I am not 100% sure. All I can say looking back is at 18 I was no way mature enough to handle carrying a weapon that may be used for defense in a crowded setting with lot's of bystanders. The only place you would need it in Vermont is the Old North End of Burlington, and I doubt you will be putting "Little Somalia" on your vacation agenda. IMHO it should be 21 to carry a handgun (18 if you are military), and 16 a long gun with a safety course and hunting license. Sorry but 16 or 18 is generally not mature enough to make deadly force decisions in public. I have 30 years as an NRA instructor.
    Why would you impose restrictions that have been shown to be ineffectual and unnecessary?

    Neither your experience as an instructor, not mine qualify us as as analysts of the end results.
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    To ALL Who may be Concerned:

    Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 922(x) states that a Person needs to be 21 to Purchase Handguns and Handgun Ammunition from a Federal Firearms Licensee.

    However, The Default Carry Age is 18.

    In Vermont, The Default Carry Age is 16.

    Private Purchase of a Handgun is Lawful at 18, as is Receipt of The Same as an Inheritance or as a Gift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    He is allowed to carry in Vermont at 18. In fact I think 16 is the age to carry, but I am not 100% sure. All I can say looking back is at 18 I was no way mature enough to handle carrying a weapon that may be used for defense in a crowded setting with lot's of bystanders. The only place you would need it in Vermont is the Old North End of Burlington, and I doubt you will be putting "Little Somalia" on your vacation agenda. IMHO it should be 21 to carry a handgun (18 if you are military), and 16 a long gun with a safety course and hunting license. Sorry but 16 or 18 is generally not mature enough to make deadly force decisions in public. I have 30 years as an NRA instructor.
    Wanted to pull out this little nugget...
    I can say looking back is at 18 I was no way mature enough to handle carrying a weapon...
    So, because YOU were not mature that means we need to restrict the rights of those who may be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfish View Post
    Wanted to pull out this little nugget...

    So, because YOU were not mature that means we need to restrict the rights of those who may be?
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    I don't "need" to openly carry a handgun or own an "assault weapon" any more than Rosa Parks needed a seat on the bus.

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    my personal opinion is this, Knowing how many years one has with dealing with firearms DOES not make someone more appointed in decision making. It may not sound right to say that, but whenever I hear the old term....I have "20 years" or "30 years" and then making a statement against 18 year old's being able to carry. 18 and up were all adults, situations change and as long as these younger crowds get a bit of training, I do not see the issue of 18 year old's Open carrying. Also with the new age of things folks, I have met MANY mature 18 year old's, and also a good amount of 16 year old's with their heads on right. We all know the older generation folks here have a different opinion on seeing certain ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWCook View Post
    --snip--We all know the older generation folks here have a different opinion on seeing certain ideas.
    I resemble that remark, but not the implied conclusion.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

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    Originally Posted by M1911a1lvr

    --snip--if you are on the Federal highway system (I-91,I-89) You cannot have them in a rifle window rack
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Cite please - this is news to me.
    Logic it is about GFSZ area?

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    Kingfish, Give me a break! I have lived in Burlington long enough to know that MOST of the 18 year olds in the "Old North End" are Oxycontin addicts, fight at the drop of the hat and barely have 8th grade educations. Granted this applies mainly to those who live North of Pearl St. They are not even mature enough to handle Airsoft guns and EVIDENCED by the Airsoft "gunfights" in the parking garages downtown! I am so sick of everone defending the "gun rights" of those who act irresponsibly not only with guns, but with everything they do. Sound like a liberal mindset to me, making excuses for everything a criminal does. Aw, the poor baby had a bad childhood... Give me a break. Yes there are 18 years olds that are responsible, but I have RARELY seen any. Even the "responsible" UVM students who do everything right in life are REGULARLY so drunk they could not even hold a firearm without falling over! Hey while were at it why not let little kids drive as soon as they are able to reach the pedals? No wonder the libtards have so much "ammo" to use against us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    Kingfish, Give me a break! I have lived in Burlington long enough to know that MOST of the 18 year olds in the "Old North End" are Oxycontin addicts, fight at the drop of the hat and barely have 8th grade educations. Granted this applies mainly to those who live North of Pearl St. They are not even mature enough to handle Airsoft guns and EVIDENCED by the Airsoft "gunfights" in the parking garages downtown! I am so sick of everone defending the "gun rights" of those who act irresponsibly not only with guns, but with everything they do. Sound like a liberal mindset to me, making excuses for everything a criminal does. Aw, the poor baby had a bad childhood... Give me a break. Yes there are 18 years olds that are responsible, but I have RARELY seen any. Even the "responsible" UVM students who do everything right in life are REGULARLY so drunk they could not even hold a firearm without falling over! Hey while were at it why not let little kids drive as soon as they are able to reach the pedals? No wonder the libtards have so much "ammo" to use against us!
    I can't tell if you are serious or not. If you are then I feel pretty sorry for you.

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    Kingfish, I apologise.... I see you are in Georgia where souther parents use a switch and kid generally grow up with values. When I describe the issues in Burlington VT it is another world. You would have to come up here and see what the liberals have allowed to happen with their "programs" and handouts. We have become a third world country (City of Burlington). I would not trust ANY youth I have run into in Burlington to carry a firearm or even an airsoft gun. BTW they tried to rob a cabby with one! Perhaps we should limit under 21 carry to rural areas only outside of liberal states with no morals!

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    Any time we try to limit the RKBA by where one lives, much less by their ethnicity, we step back in time to the gun control of a bygone era. No economic criteria has legitimate value either.

    Judge a person (individual) by their actions - nothing else.

    Generalizing negative perceptions is fraught with problems and penalizes all for the poor conduct of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    Kingfish, I apologise.... I see you are in Georgia where souther parents use a switch and kid generally grow up with values....
    Sorry, I have lived in a lot of different places including liberal strongholds. I STILL do not have any interest in denying free men their rights.

    You see, I would be perfectly content if there were ZERO "gun control" laws...And I do mean ZERO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vermonter View Post
    He is allowed to carry in Vermont at 18. In fact I think 16 is the age to carry, but I am not 100% sure. All I can say looking back is at 18 I was no way mature enough to handle carrying a weapon that may be used for defense in a crowded setting with lot's of bystanders. The only place you would need it in Vermont is the Old North End of Burlington, and I doubt you will be putting "Little Somalia" on your vacation agenda. IMHO it should be 21 to carry a handgun (18 if you are military), and 16 a long gun with a safety course and hunting license. Sorry but 16 or 18 is generally not mature enough to make deadly force decisions in public. I have 30 years as an NRA instructor.
    I'm 19 and have been carrying since I turned 18. In Indiana, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Maine, and New Hampshire 18 year olds who are eligible can get carry permit. In many more states like Michigan no permit is needed to open carry at 18. These states are not having problems with those of us under 21 legally carrying. To insist such nonsense makes me wonder if you have ever worked with the Brady Campaign. You may not have been ready at 18 but many of us are. I can show you plenty of people over 21 who I don't think are capable enough to make the decision to use deadly force in public but can still get a carry permit. This is just like someone who is antigun having a problem with other people carrying because they know they are not mature enough to carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    In Indiana, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Maine, and New Hampshire 18 year olds who are eligible can get carry permit.
    In New Hampshire, there is no age requirement at all. I've heard anecdotes of 16 year olds having licenses, and even a report of a 14 year old. There is no state law that restricts it.

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