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    OC at CA polling locations

    Is anyone aware if OC is prohibited at CA polling locations?

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    I won't need to carry at the polls, the polling place is in view of our house. My wife will be on the roof with my sniper rifle, keeping me covered.

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    Discretion being the better part of valor, I think it is a REALLY BAD IDEA to do that. If OC is about protecting yourself, I can't ever think of anyone being robbed or murdered while voting in California during recent history. This is not Alabama of 50 years ago. I just can't think of any positive publicity that could come of it, but see how it could be easily negatively interpreted as voter intimidation/tampering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oc4ever View Post
    Discretion being the better part of valor, I think it is a REALLY BAD IDEA to do that. If OC is about protecting yourself, I can't ever think of anyone being robbed or murdered while voting in California during recent history. This is not Alabama of 50 years ago. I just can't think of any positive publicity that could come of it, but see how it could be easily negatively interpreted as voter intimidation/tampering.
    Of course there is always the argument that we are trying to make gun ownership/carry part of everyday life again.

    Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chewy352 View Post
    Of course there is always the argument that we are trying to make gun ownership/carry part of everyday life again.

    Just sayin.
    Indeed, I am just wondering if anyone knows what the laws says on the matter.

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    Chewy ,I got it...... but I think a majority of neutral fence sitters would think that OC'ing while others are voting is over the top and provocative. Bringing a gun to a polling place is like bring a gun to the state capitol to watch the legislators vote. We all know how badly that turned out for the rest of us, thanks to the Black Panthers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    Is anyone aware if OC is prohibited at CA polling locations?
    I'll be watching the news looking for you. LoL

    It prob depends on the place. Some are at schools and near schools. I would like to see the law wether people think it's right or not is it leagle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanburbridge View Post
    I'll be watching the news looking for you. LoL

    It prob depends on the place. Some are at schools and near schools. I would like to see the law wether people think it's right or not is it leagle?
    Good point, my polling place is at a community cent and not near a school, are there any rules that specify polling centers as gun free zones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oc4ever View Post
    ...but see how it could be easily negatively interpreted as voter intimidation/tampering.
    Unless you're in the New Black Panther party and you're holding a nightstick. Then it's okay.

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    I was tempted to head over to the placer fairgrounds UOC, but there is a school across the street and I don't feel like carrying a lock box. Plus I will be walking and its at least a half mile from my house(don't want to make two trips).
    If guns cause crime.....mine must be defective.

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    The 4th of July and Election Day. What better days to express our freedoms!

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    Are you kidding?

    RockerFor2A,

    ERic Holder may let a Black Panther thump a club in front of a polling place and not charge him with voter intimidation. Do you really think our "fair minded" Attorney General would not waste a second and have some white bread OC'ing a gun around a polling place arrested on a (any)Federal charge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oc4ever View Post
    RockerFor2A,

    ERic Holder may let a Black Panther thump a club in front of a polling place and not charge him with voter intimidation. Do you really think our "fair minded" Attorney General would not waste a second and have some white bread OC'ing a gun around a polling place arrested on a (any)Federal charge?
    I was joking. I agree with you and that's my point. There's unequal justice these days. You know it and I know it.

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    Carrying a firearm at a polling place is unlawful in California.

    CA Elections Code

    18544. (a) Any person in possession of a firearm or any uniformed
    peace officer, private guard, or security personnel or any person who
    is wearing a uniform of a peace officer, guard, or security
    personnel, who is stationed in the immediate vicinity of, or posted
    at, a polling place without written authorization of the appropriate
    city or county elections official is punishable by a fine not
    exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), by imprisonment in the
    state prison for 16 months or two or three years or in a county jail
    not exceeding one year, or by both the fine and imprisonment.
    (b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
    (1) An unarmed uniformed guard or security personnel who is at the
    polling place to cast his or her vote.
    (2) A peace officer who is conducting official business in the
    course of his or her public employment or who is at the polling place
    to cast his or her vote.
    (3) A private guard or security personnel hired or arranged for by
    a city or county elections official.
    (4) A private guard or security personnel hired or arranged for by
    the owner or manager of the facility or property in which the
    polling place is located if the guard or security personnel is not
    hired or arranged solely for the day on which an election is held.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    Carrying a firearm at a polling place is unlawful in California.

    CA Elections Code
    Wow.. what rights DO you have in CA. You all have a long hard fight ahead of you. Thank god I live in VA.
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    Carrying a firearm at a polling place is unlawful in California.
    Negative Ghost Rider - I OCd at my plling place Tuesday

    See Bolded text below...I was neither stationed nor posted at my polling place.

    CA Elections Code

    18544. (a) Any person in possession of a firearm or any uniformed
    peace officer, private guard, or security personnel or any person who
    is wearing a uniform of a peace officer, guard, or security
    personnel, who is stationed in the immediate vicinity of, or posted
    at
    , a polling place without written authorization of the appropriate
    city or county elections official is punishable by a fine not
    exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), by imprisonment in the
    state prison for 16 months or two or three years or in a county jail
    not exceeding one year, or by both the fine and imprisonment.
    (b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
    (1) An unarmed uniformed guard or security personnel who is at the
    polling place to cast his or her vote.
    (2) A peace officer who is conducting official business in the
    course of his or her public employment or who is at the polling place
    to cast his or her vote.
    (3) A private guard or security personnel hired or arranged for by
    a city or county elections official.
    (4) A private guard or security personnel hired or arranged for by
    the owner or manager of the facility or property in which the
    polling place is located if the guard or security personnel is not
    hired or arranged solely for the day on which an election is held.
    Last edited by mjones; 11-04-2010 at 04:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt_Kowalski View Post
    Wow.. what rights DO you have in CA. You all have a long hard fight ahead of you. Thank god I live in VA.
    Come back and complain some more about CA when you can CCW in a bar like we can

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    Come back and complain some more about CA when you can CCW in a bar like we can
    As of July 1, 2010. I can. Thanks for asking
    Last edited by Walt_Kowalski; 11-04-2010 at 05:00 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    Negative Ghost Rider - I OCd at my plling place Tuesday
    How'd you do it? Is there a CCW exception saying this code doesn't apply?

    ETA:
    err...I just realized you said you OCed. What am I missing?
    Last edited by bigtoe416; 11-04-2010 at 06:09 PM.

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    I'm sure you catch some flak for OC'ing depending on where you are. Some counties/polling places may not care, while others would rather see you in jail for exercising ones constitutional rights then let you carry a firearm while voting(or doing anything for that matter)
    If guns cause crime.....mine must be defective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    How'd you do it? Is there a CCW exception saying this code doesn't apply?

    ETA:
    err...I just realized you said you OCed. What am I missing?
    Yes, I do it as a clear political statement - and in a GFSZ no less.

    Look closely at the sections I bolded in my post #16 above.

    In essence, the code would only apply to someone who was told to be there. Think along the lines of the Hells Angel's "Motorcycle Club" assigning members to be armed and present at polling places...That's what would be illegal.

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    Porbably for something like the KKK hanging out at a polling place with a gun to intimidate voters.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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    Woah!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    Yes, I do it as a clear political statement - and in a GFSZ no less.

    Look closely at the sections I bolded in my post #16 above.

    In essence, the code would only apply to someone who was told to be there. Think along the lines of the Hells Angel's "Motorcycle Club" assigning members to be armed and present at polling places...That's what would be illegal.
    I am soooo totally impressed!!!
    You have parsed the hell out of 18544.
    i completely agree with your reading, i would have NEVER seen the true meaning without your guidance.
    Wow!!!

    ps.. i think you have a ccw, so are exempt from 626.9,, unrelated to 18544
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    In essence, the code would only apply to someone who was told to be there. Think along the lines of the Hells Angel's "Motorcycle Club" assigning members to be armed and present at polling places...That's what would be illegal.
    Ah...now I get it. You definitely seem to be correct (as usual). Calgun's wiki is wrong then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe416 View Post
    Ah...now I get it. You definitely seem to be correct (as usual). Calgun's wiki is wrong then.
    Thanks for the vote of confidence!

    I presented my interpretation to CalGuns as well. If I remember correctly, the right people agreed with me, but the Wiki didn't get changed

    Ditto for CalCCW, but I knew their "Subject Matter Experts" would shut me down. I truly hope I don't end up in court one day with a court registered SME that refuses to admit things like it being perfectly legal to have full mags inside a locked container with a firearm.

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