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    Open Carry in Washington question

    A friend (last night) informed me that if I were to carry my sidearm in Seattle (or anywhere else in WA) in the same open manner as I carry here in AZ... I'd get arrested.

    OK... so what's the current deal in WA? The language of the WA Constitution SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS is identical to that of AZ (Art 2 Sec 26) ".
    "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this Section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men."

    What's the current (actual) dynamic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    A friend (last night) informed me that if I were to carry my sidearm in Seattle (or anywhere else in WA) in the same open manner as I carry here in AZ... I'd get arrested.

    OK... so what's the current deal in WA? The language of the WA Constitution SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS is identical to that of AZ (Art 2 Sec 26) ".
    "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this Section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men."

    What's the current (actual) dynamic?
    There is an FAQ in our forum, perhaps you should read it. It gives the basic rundown on what is and is NOT legal.

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    HeLLoo

    It rains here a little, but on sunny days i either open carry my 1911, or my summer time sidearm is a Ruger Vaquero in .45 colt that is holstered in an old fashioned drop loop rig. Rainy days i CC (i have my permit). I am from the western side of WA, been OC in Seattle pikes place, various buildings etc. Seattle police is rather versed in OC. I often OC in Tacoma and around Kitsap county too. The biggest thing to be aware of, is you need a concealed pistol license if your going to OC loaded in a car (bus, public transit, trains -any vehicle needs a permit). Without a permit, you will need to unload.
    - Open carry in WA is rather simple here. OC is legal here, and growing acceptance helps allot too. Concealed weapons and loaded OC in cars need the permit on hand. No federal buildings and schools. Private property can ask you to leave or cover up. - basic stuffs.

    Hope that helps.

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    SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.
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    Your friend is misinformed.

    OC is legal and does not require a license as long as it is properly holstered and visible as far as the "reasonable man" doctrine is concerned.

    That being said, some Washington LE are poorly trained or have personal prejudices against citizens carrying firearms, and confrontations are not unheard of, if somewhat rare. Seattle PD are actually very well trained overall on this subject, so all you have to deal with is the rare individual officer prejudice.

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    The city of Seattle is the Washington bastion of liberalism, and if someone there is going to call 911 on their own shadow, thatís the place it will happen.

    You take your chances with LE stepping over their bounds, but chances are you will be fine. As the other poster recommended, read the FAQ for best information.

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    Washington Law is in a State-of-Flux concerning Open Carry.
    There has recently been an Open Carry Case in Washington concerning the totality of State Law RCW 9.41.270.
    RCW 9.41.270 does not directly Criminalize Open Carry, BUT there is too much Ambiguity in The State Statute to Authorize an Open Carry Arrest, just to see what will happen later with The State Prosecutors.
    RCW 9.41.270 was passed in the early 1970's in response to Black Panther Activity in both California and Washington State.

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    OC at he Spokane Airport

    Sonora your frend is very misinformed. I OC every where I go that it is legal to do so, over 2 years now without an incident. Here I am 2 months ago picking my son and his family up at the airport in Spokane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batousaii View Post

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    It rains here a little,
    Hope that helps.

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    SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

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    A few of us just a few weeks ago met downtown Seattle for coffee, walked through Pikes Place Market as well as the length of the waterfront.

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    I've OC'd in one of the most Liberal parts of the city and no one said a word. We have the occasional uninformed officer or deputy who causes a problem, but by and large the LEOs in the Puget Sound area up on the carry laws. We're currently working on having some of the old local laws taken off the books that were in effect prior to the preemption code going into effect back in 1983(?).

    Next step: Constitutional Carry!
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    Just reading current 'law' doesn't mean squat if the 'law' is disregarded by those sworn to uphold it. What I was lookin' for was the acutal dynamic goin' on for open carry. Y'all answered my question. Thanx!

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    Perhaps this will help?

    How about a picture with the Attorney General of the State of Washington standing in downtown Seattle (Westlak Plazza) with the Seattle PD in the background. Says alot now doesn't it???

    Enjoy Washington...



    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    Just reading current 'law' doesn't mean squat if the 'law' is disregarded by those sworn to uphold it. What I was lookin' for was the acutal dynamic goin' on for open carry. Y'all answered my question. Thanx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    How about a picture with the Attorney General of the State of Washington standing in downtown Seattle (Westlak Plazza) with the Seattle PD in the background. Says alot now doesn't it???

    Enjoy Washington...

    Gogo you just had to one up us, didn't ya, LOL

    Welcome to Washington Sonora, enjoy your time here.

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    Maybe next time you can get Rob to wear a gun too. OC of course.

    Now THAT would make a statement!
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    Hey Sonora you 'onry s'mbitch if you make it to the north end of the state let me know I'll buy you a cup of joe, and I open carry everywhere I go even at work sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Hey Sonora you 'onry s'mbitch if you make it to the north end of the state let me know I'll buy you a cup of joe, and I open carry everywhere I go even at work sometimes.
    Actually... I'm not goin' to WA at all... this was just a question in response to my friends 'tale' of anti-OCness in Seattle. 'You up in Bellingham, Whidby Island area? 'Got thrown outta the AmLegion hall in Bellingham for doin' Barbarian Toasts back durin' the VN war... 'tween rousing choruses if 'The Good Ship Venus'. Too much for local sensibilities I s'pose? Y'all dress funny up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    Actually... I'm not goin' to WA at all... this was just a question in response to my friends 'tale' of anti-OCness in Seattle. 'You up in Bellingham, Whidby Island area? 'Got thrown outta the AmLegion hall in Bellingham for doin' Barbarian Toasts back durin' the VN war... 'tween rousing choruses if 'The Good Ship Venus'. Too much for local sensibilities I s'pose? Y'all dress funny up there.
    The only really normal dress code is Socks and Sandals

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    The only really normal dress code is Socks and Sandals

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    Too bad the weather here is too cold and rainy for this

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    This is my version of open carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    Actually... I'm not goin' to WA at all... this was just a question in response to my friends 'tale' of anti-OCness in Seattle. 'You up in Bellingham, Whidby Island area? 'Got thrown outta the AmLegion hall in Bellingham for doin' Barbarian Toasts back durin' the VN war... 'tween rousing choruses if 'The Good Ship Venus'. Too much for local sensibilities I s'pose? Y'all dress funny up there.
    I'm in bellingham area, liberal hippy retreat of the north, yet the only folks to harass me over my carry are the power tripping LEO's. The majority of the time people are very supportive of my carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I'm in bellingham area, liberal hippy retreat of the north, yet the only folks to harass me over my carry are the power tripping LEO's. The majority of the time people are very supportive of my carry.
    Dunno why your LEO's are like that... They've all sworn to defend the Constitution... including the states' Doubtful many of 'em have ever bothered to read the state constitution tho if they're still doin' that stuff. Attitudes become endemic thuout LEA's tho 'n cops are just as likely to react on anecdotal info as anybody else. As I recall... it tended to rain a lot up there... (nasty weather).

    Why is that liberals are usually the 1st people who'll tell ya that you can't do something?

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    [QUOTE=Sonora Rebel;1394039]Dunno why your LEO's are like that... They've all sworn to defend the Constitution... including the states' Doubtful many of 'em have ever bothered to read the state constitution tho if they're still doin' that stuff. Attitudes become endemic thuout LEA's tho 'n cops are just as likely to react on anecdotal info as anybody else. As I recall... it tended to rain a lot up there... (nasty weather).QUOTE]

    It’s because the state doesn’t enforce or re-enforce the guardian ethos that they originally trained them to uphold. "Under color of law" is far too often allowed to be defined by the rules of the road instead of the law of the land.

    I have said it before, and I will say it again. All Washington LEOs needs to be fully de-authoritized (my word) when they are off duty. If they are held to the same laws across the board as the people they serve, they will begin to understand what it is to be the common man on the street. Make them get CPLs like everyone else if they want to carry off duty, and hold them to not being able to carry in the same places. No badges or LEO id allowed to be carried off duty, and no arrest authority when off duty.

    Not only will the LE culture change, but the type of person attracted to the profession will also shift. It won’t happen overnight, but things would change in everyone’s favor.

    Society tends to forget that LEOs are civilians too, and should not be allowed to hold themselves apart from the civilian populous they are suppose to be serving and protecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    Society tends to forget that LEOs are civilians too.
    Not just Society but some Leo's forget this as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    +1 fmcdh!
    not as bold but +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Not just Society but some Leo's forget this as well.
    I consider LEOs as part of "society". :-)

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