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    Bonney Lake Municipal Code in violation

    I have discussed BLMC violations of State Preemption with the Public Safety Committee chair via phone. He has stated that he is aware of the parks code being in violation but was not aware of the public meeting code at all! He has requested I forward him the proper codes and has stated he will place it on the agenda for next months meeting of the public safety committee.
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    AWESOME! You beat me to it. I was looking at those codes myself when I went to talk to Dave @ Jersey Mike's. I'll attend any meeting this comes up in. I work there, so this affects me big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post
    I have discussed BLMC violations of State Preemption with the Public Safety Committee chair via phone. He has stated that he is aware of the parks code being in violation but was not aware of the public meeting code at all! He has requested I forward him the proper codes and has stated he will place it on the agenda for next months meeting of the public safety committee.
    Fine job now writing the letter or email of choice.
    When I do this I provide all available information so they do not have to go look for it and miss the information pertaining to the violations, make it easy and hopefully it will move along easily.

    Fine Job, or did I say that Already.
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    Bonney Lake's Public Safety Committee next Meeting

    I am going to post a few links as I am attending the next meeting on December 6th.

    Their calendar is posted here
    The city website is here
    The website for the city council sub committees is here

    DevilDoc, keep in touch with me over this as I will BE there come hell or high water.

    It seems there are a few attendees worth speaking to as well:

    In attendance:
    Mark Hamilton, Chair
    Laurie Carter, Council Member
    Dan Decker, Council Member
    Mike Mitchell, Chief of Police
    Kathy Seymour, Ct. Administrator
    John McDonald, Deputy Chief
    Absent:
    Ron Heslop, Judge

    The code in question is posted here
    9.86.020 Weapons prohibited at public meetings.
    Every person who carries upon his person or in his hand or hands, concealed or otherwise, any weapon consisting of any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement, any firearm, stun gun, or “tazer,” or any instrument by the use of which injury could be inflicted upon the person or property of another, at any public meeting within the city, shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor. In addition to any penalty imposed, the dangerous weapon shall be subject to forfeiture by the court pursuant to Chapter 9.41 RCW if it is a firearm as defined therein, and pursuant to this section if it is not a firearm. (Ord. 1058 § 2, 2004; Ord. 947 § 1, 2002; Ord. 703 § 2, 1995).
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    on my notebook so I dont have my notes handy but there is also the other code in violation. The parks code...
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    got my calendar marked, i'll try to be there, i live 2 minutes away

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    Bump

    The meeting is next week.

    Doc, do you want to get together before going? Did you get on the calendar to speak, or are we going just to support the motion?

    Let me know. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    The meeting is next week.

    Doc, do you want to get together before going? Did you get on the calendar to speak, or are we going just to support the motion?

    Let me know. Thanks
    I would prefer to get a "convoy" or something going as I am still not 100% sure of where exactly I am going. I will give you a call sometime in the next day or two to finger this out...
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
    E nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."


    "If the rest of the world says: 'War,' I can only say: 'Very well. I do not want war, but no one, however peaceable, can live in peace if his neighbor intends to force a quarrel.'" - Adolf Hitler...

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    Directions

    The Public Safety Committee meets in the Public Safety Building. Who'd have thunk it

    Public Safety Building
    The Public Safety Building houses the Bonney Lake Police Department, as well as East Pierce Fire & Rescue.
    Location: 18421 Sumner-Buckley Hwy E
    Bonney Lake, WA 98391 Mailing Address: P.O. Box 7380
    Bonney Lake, WA 98391
    Directions: Get online directions (GoogleMaps)
    ¤ From Hwy 410 eastbound or westbound, turn NORTH onto Sumner-Buckley Hwy (aka Old Buckley Hwy), at the stop light. You will see Dairy Queen and AM/PM gas station at this intersection.
    ¤ Turn RIGHT into either the Fire or Police Department lots (there is one lot on either side of the building). You will see a flashing emergency light at the fire station; the Police Department parking lot is just beyond.

    It's pretty easy to find, but let's convoy from my house. If ANYONE else wants to come, I have room for 2 and / or will provide directions to my place. I live near the Marksman on 112th / Canyon on South Hill if'n you know the area. PM for more specifics.

    Anyone in Bonney Lake we can meet there or at the Dairy Queen which is right across the street from the building.

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    Bonney Lake Municipal Codes under review

    Bonney Lake Public Safety Committee today held a meeting to discuss a few municipal codes in violation of preemption. They are:

    BLMC 9.86.020 (Weapons prohibited in public meetings)

    BLMC 12.12.140 (Firearms prohibited in parks)

    They are already revising the code in reguards to dogs and medicinal marijuana so this change won't take much to do.

    DevilDoc did AWESOME in his presentation. He got a few questions from a judge on the panel, the Chief of Police, and another member of the committee. We handed them a copy of the BLMCs in question and the RCWs covering preemption and places where firearms are prohibited.

    Afterwards, we were called over by the Chief of Police and Assistant Chief. After their questions were answered the secretary immediate told DevilDoc the next meeting is January 3rd 2011 and this will be up for vote after the review. All in all, it's a step in the RIGHT direction.

    This has been discussed in the Local Codes thread but I wanted to bump this so we know it's an ongoing thing. We are going to begin the e-mails to Lakewood while we are dealing with Bonney Lake. I know Lakewood has "Coffee with the Mayor" days so things like this are invited to be brought up. At least, there USED to be Coffee with the Mayor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    Bonney Lake Public Safety Committee today held a meeting to discuss a few municipal codes in violation of preemption. They are:

    BLMC 9.86.020 (Weapons prohibited in public meetings)

    BLMC 12.12.140 (Firearms prohibited in parks)

    They are already revising the code in reguards to dogs and medicinal marijuana so this change won't take much to do.

    DevilDoc did AWESOME in his presentation. He got a few questions from a judge on the panel, the Chief of Police, and another member of the committee. We handed them a copy of the BLMCs in question and the RCWs covering preemption and places where firearms are prohibited.

    Afterwards, we were called over by the Chief of Police and Assistant Chief. After their questions were answered the secretary immediate told DevilDoc the next meeting is January 3rd 2011 and this will be up for vote after the review. All in all, it's a step in the RIGHT direction.

    This has been discussed in the Local Codes thread but I wanted to bump this so we know it's an ongoing thing. We are going to begin the e-mails to Lakewood while we are dealing with Bonney Lake. I know Lakewood has "Coffee with the Mayor" days so things like this are invited to be brought up. At least, there USED to be Coffee with the Mayor.
    Goose I can tell you that they still have a coffee with the mayor thing.

    However as I mentioned previously I am not sure that this would be a good idea as it is not anything "official" thus there would be no record of it and nothing to "force them to follow through"...

    My opinion at least...
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    "If the rest of the world says: 'War,' I can only say: 'Very well. I do not want war, but no one, however peaceable, can live in peace if his neighbor intends to force a quarrel.'" - Adolf Hitler...

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    Any of these Towns/Cities that have prohibitions on guns in parks and public buildings may choose to wait until Seattle's appeal is resolved before they act. If Seattle prevails, and the Court rules that they can restrict guns from these places then look for most all of these jurisdictions to maintain their current reg's. If Seattle looses then expect a wholesale "cleansing" but most likely as part of a periodic code revision process. Enforcement will just stop.

    On that final note, anyone know of a case where someone was cited for having a gun in a park where such a regulation still existed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Any of these Towns/Cities that have prohibitions on guns in parks and public buildings may choose to wait until Seattle's appeal is resolved before they act. If Seattle prevails, and the Court rules that they can restrict guns from these places then look for most all of these jurisdictions to maintain their current reg's. If Seattle looses then expect a wholesale "cleansing" but most likely as part of a periodic code revision process. Enforcement will just stop.

    On that final note, anyone know of a case where someone was cited for having a gun in a park where such a regulation still existed?
    With Bonney Lake specifically the code I was having the most problem with was the one that prohibits firearms in a public meeting.

    It then goes on to describe a public meeting as:

    9.86.010 Public meeting defined.
    “Public meeting” is defined for purposes of this chapter as a place, public or quasi-public, or place of public accommodation as defined in the 1965 Civil Rights Act of the United States Congress, occupied by two or more persons within the confines of the city.
    That right there is the major problem because it appears as though two or more people eating dinner at Applebees is considered a "public meeting".
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
    E nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."


    "If the rest of the world says: 'War,' I can only say: 'Very well. I do not want war, but no one, however peaceable, can live in peace if his neighbor intends to force a quarrel.'" - Adolf Hitler...

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc5 View Post



    That right there is the major problem because it appears as though two or more people eating dinner at Applebees is considered a "public meeting".
    It would also cover any two city politicians or employees having a couple of drinks in a bar/lounge. This would subject them to the "open meetings act" and would have to keep minutes of these "meetings" which would be public record. If it's good for us, it should be good for them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Sounds to me like it is time for a public gathering of OCDO in Bonney Lake!
    Not just yet. If we do, I'm inviting the Chief to come for coffee

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    Bump this topic

    The meeting is Monday! That's right, next week at 5pm. I will be @ Jersey Mike's for my birthday dinner @3:30pm if anyone wishes to meet there first. I am hoping this goes to council for vote and adoption next as I hate to see things hung in committee!

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    DevilDoc and Goose,


    THANK YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    The meeting is Monday! That's right, next week at 5pm. I will be @ Jersey Mike's for my birthday dinner @3:30pm if anyone wishes to meet there first. I am hoping this goes to council for vote and adoption next as I hate to see things hung in committee!
    Should meeting you at your Birthday Dinner bring presents too?
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    No presents necessary! I am saving for my present. My wife is getting me a Bersa Thunder .380 as a BUG for CC. She is also getting one. The differences are mine will be black like my Beretta, and hers gets a Crimson Trace. She also wants it the same color as DEROS' Bersa. Ah well, it'll be nice for her to finally have a carry piece.

    First, the .380, then we'll work her to the .45 Remember folks, this is her FIRST firearm and she picked it out all by herself. Personally, I'm proud of her. Anyway, I don't want to Hijack the thread. We will post pics on a thread when we get them.

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    Tonight!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    The meeting is Monday! That's right, next week at 5pm. I will be @ Jersey Mike's for my birthday dinner @3:30pm if anyone wishes to meet there first. I am hoping this goes to council for vote and adoption next as I hate to see things hung in committee!
    I'm skipping dinner due to the wife needing to enroll in college. I will be at the meeting area aroudn 4:30pm if anyone wishes to be there as well. I will be ensuring this gets passed to the City Council proper for vote. Here's to hoping all goes well

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    Anybody heard from goose???
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    Quote Originally Posted by massivedesign View Post
    Anybody heard from goose???
    I posted in the top thread about local codes and didn't post here, but I will since this was the thread ...

    As seen here on post #194

    Bonney Lake to comply with Preemption
    The Public Safety Committee met today and concluded this is housekeeping. Preepmtion is the law of the land and they will comply. They will change their signs, they will allow carry in public buildings, and even install lock boxes in their new courthouse for the checking of firearms. It goes before the Bonney Lake City Council as a whole in February to change the Bonney Lake Municipal Code (BLMC) to reflect such.

    They only had one concern, the courthouse common hallways. They are going to pattern after Tacoma but NOT to the idiot point of checking, asking for Id, and the like. The judge present and Chief Mitchell were VERY receptive and are GOOD people. Bonney Lake is on board. Now to make sure the Board changes the codes.

    BONNEY LAKE IS A WIN! I will post when the City Council meeting is for those who wish to attend. I thanked the committee on how in depth they dug into this to ensure it is done right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    I posted in the top thread about local codes and didn't post here, but I will since this was the thread ...

    As seen here on post #194

    Bonney Lake to comply with Preemption
    The Public Safety Committee met today and concluded this is housekeeping. Preepmtion is the law of the land and they will comply. They will change their signs, they will allow carry in public buildings, and even install lock boxes in their new courthouse for the checking of firearms. It goes before the Bonney Lake City Council as a whole in February to change the Bonney Lake Municipal Code (BLMC) to reflect such.

    They only had one concern, the courthouse common hallways. They are going to pattern after Tacoma but NOT to the idiot point of checking, asking for Id, and the like. The judge present and Chief Mitchell were VERY receptive and are GOOD people. Bonney Lake is on board. Now to make sure the Board changes the codes.

    BONNEY LAKE IS A WIN! I will post when the City Council meeting is for those who wish to attend. I thanked the committee on how in depth they dug into this to ensure it is done right.
    Sounds like Bonney Lake has done a better job of selecting their representatives. Not like some communities that seen to have elected the "village idiots".
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    Bonney Lake City Council Meeting THIS MONDAY

    This meeting is in fact NEXT TUESDAY! I so need to think before I type. This is next tuesday, the 25th at 7pm

    I was contacted by "a source inside the city" for Bonney Lake. I was asked to keep him / her anonymous and I will do so. This information was passed up correctly and accurately. We were also told it was presented well and that this "person" is a 2A supporter though weighed not into the decision. It is due to go before the full council and has no opposition at current.

    *From the source*
    Hi,

    *SNIP to keep them anonymous* I'm a gun rights supporter, though that didn't affect my work; you guys had the right legal arguments anyway. I'm hoping you can pass along the following info to the group, without identifying me other than as a source inside the City.

    The Bonney Lake ordinance is set for adoption at the regular council meeting on 1/25. So far I'm not aware of any opposition. I expect it to pass.

    Thanks for your collaborative approach - I know it was appreciated at the City.*

    *Name edited*

    So, one more hurdle and this one is clear!

    January 25, 2011 – Council Meeting – 7:00 p.m.

    · AB11-03 – Resolution 2091 – Agreement for Infectious Waste Disposal

    · AB11-04 – Ordinance D11-04 – Revisions to the City False Alarm Ordinance and Related Municipal Code.

    · AB11-05 – Resolution 2092 – Authorization for the Mayor to Sign an Agreement with ATB Services to Administer Our False Alarm Ordinance.

    · AB11-08 – Ordinance D11-08 – Amendments to Firearms Ordinance

    · AB11-09 – Ordinance D11-09 – Amendments to Trespass Ordinance
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    Nice job Goose. I may be free Tuesday if you are going to attend.
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