Nice. Keep up the good work. The DNR has had to much control for far to long.
I received a reply from the DNR, to the email I sent, and he stated that NR 10.09 remains a valid state law where open carry is not an option. With this email denying my right to open carry 24 hours before deer season in the woods for self defense, he is denying my constitutional right to open carry.
I will add NR 10.09 to the suit alleging that NR 10.09 is unconstitutional on its face. Having the email essentially eliminates the need to physically going in the woods while open carrying and receiving a citation for doing so.
Iíve updated the proposed law suit for declaratory relief, which I have submitted to the ACLU in Madison and the Mountain States Legal Foundation, of which Iím waiting to hear back from either one to accept my complaint and represent me in this action to declare the DNR regulations stated in the complaint below.
Last edited by cowboyridn; 11-13-2010 at 01:37 PM.
Nice. Keep up the good work. The DNR has had to much control for far to long.
"To sin by silence, when we should protest makes cowards out of men."
Ella Wheeler Cox
We must contact our lawmakers today, tomorrow and the next day to remind them of Constitutional Carry.
Laws are not written because of the actions of many, they are wrtiten because of the inactions of many.
This is off thread a bit but I think something those that deer hunt may like to know. The DNR changed the administrative rule that previously did not allow use of magnifying telescopic sights on muzzleloaders during the separate muzzle loading season. It is now permissable to use magnifying telescopic sights on muzzleloaders during any season. The change was made after the 2010 regulation booklet was printed. This can be verified on the DNR web site.
The DNR has that control because we let them. We must reign them in and put a leash on this bad dog. Our constitutional rights should, no...must be paramount to all statutes and rules. This is ridiculous to allow them the power that they have.
Warrantless searches, power to disarm at a whim, power to prohibit on a whim etc. I do not choose to live under such constraints as these.
Actually I think our ire of the DNR may be to a large extent misguided. I think our disgust of the flagrant violation of the state constitution by the DNR should be directed towards the natural resources Board. The Natural Resources Board is a seven member board that is appointed by the governor, it is interesting to note that the members of the NRB and the Secretary of the DNR are all appointed by the governor. Such powerful people in state goverment and none accountable to the people. Long live the police state of Wisconssin. Back to the NRB. The seven members of the NRB as I said are appointed by the governor and serve staggered six year terms that expire May 1 of the appropriate year. It is the NRB that sets DNR policy and responsibilities under state statute. The responsibilities of the NRB are found in chaprter 15.34 of state statutes. In other words as far as DNR actions are concerned it is the NRB that calls the shots. It is at the board our concerns should be directed. As far as the DNR is concerned our complaints to it are largely futile because the DNR takes it's direction from the NRB and any policy response from the DNR must be with DNR approval. The members of the current NRB, their contact numbers and the date their term expires is as follows:
Jonathan Ela, chair email@example.com (608)516-4328 Term expires May 1, 2011.
John Welter, vice-chair (715)833-7028 Term expire May 1, 2011.
David Clausen, secretary (715)268-8131 Term expires May 1,2013
Preston Cole (414)286-3671 Term expires May 1, 2013
Gary Rohde (715) 425-0495 Term expires May 1, 2011
Christine Thomas (715)346-4185 Term expires May 1, 2015
Jane Wiley (715)359-2475 Term expires May 1,2015
The secretary of the DNR, Matt Frank sits on the NRB as a advisor. He was appointed by Doyle Sept, 2007.
The chair and the vice-chair as well as Gary Rohde all have terms that expire this coming year under new governor Walker. The position of secretary of DNR is also at the whim of Walker.
It is possible that if we express our concern to Walker on those items we feel are infringing on our Federal and State constitutional rights that we can in turn influence his appointments to the NRB and the DNR. It really is our only chance. The NRB and DNR have amassed their police power because none of the officers of either department are accountable to the people and that with the awesome power of Rule-Making give them free rein to do as they please.
My thoughts and opinions.
Last edited by Captain Nemo; 11-03-2010 at 05:08 PM.
Do you actually plan on OCing on public hunting land in the wee morning hours before deer season?
Now, I have a question. How many positions in state government are appointed by the Governor? Are appointments under scrutiny before its official or is it soley decided by the Governor him/herself?
The more I learn about government, the less I like it.
About a hundred appointed boards and commissions by counting the entries on the Wisconsin Admin Code page. While doing so I did not see Northeast Wisconsin Technical College board, that takes $600 per capita from my poor town (as compared to $60 from nearby municipalities), for which I have particular animus.
There is no mere citizen input/approval in the process.
NWTC has made it clear that a 'mayor' will go to jail for not making his town's payment to NWTC. Washington Island's 700 residents owe about $ĹMillion per year. About six students from the Island have attended NWTC.
Last edited by Doug Huffman; 11-04-2010 at 06:03 AM.
The open time of gun deer season is 6:30AM on the 20th of Nov. That means you can not carry a firearm on land for which you or an immediate family member do not have fee title(shooting range excepted) from 6:30AM on the 19th of November. Therefore your right to carry a firearm is voided by the DNR during the daylight hours on the 19th. Not just the wee hours and not only on public hunting land it applies anyplace deer hunting is allowed.
Your question would have been better posed 'do you plan on OC'ing on public land in the evening hours before deer season?' I've encountered many other hunters doing the same preparations as me.
You know, just sitting here typing got me to thinking about this no gun thing before the season opens. Geez, just about every deer hunter is out in their stand or blind before the season opens. We all have guns, I'm sure they're all loaded. I certainly don't wait until the opening minute to load the gun and make that noise. Wonder what the DNR has to say about that?
Yep. They (you?) should go back where they came from and take the McMansions with you. Oh, and the waterfront tax has been around since before the McMansions.
Oh, you DO NOT have my permission to hunt on my property.
ETA: Woo hoo! That got some attention. Immediately a lurker visited my profile.
Last edited by Doug Huffman; 11-04-2010 at 08:24 AM.
Your Friendly Illinois Buddy.
Hot of the AG desk.
I know this is Michigan, but you can see what our "pro-gun" AG has to say about a 5 day ban on guns before deer season.
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I've seen two nice bucks crossing just above my driveway on my neighbors property (figures), but have some nice scrapes and rubs on mine. I could have gotten a nice one with my truck the other day. Seems that would be easier than all the red tape I have to go through to bag one in accordance with all the regulations this year.
Lex malla, lex nulla
In talking to Senator Neal Kedzie today, I asked him about this and whether LEO or Wardens were exempted. He said that according to the strict interpretation of the law, there can legally be no loaded weapons in the state of WI the day before. He agreed it was stupid.
Another nonprofessional opinion. He is neither judge nor lawyer. Maybe there should be a poll.