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    Skolnik is Done, but we didn't win anything!

    Skolnik was defeated by Ed Suslovic. Unfortunately Check out the who's on the Board of Directors for the Maine Citizen's Against Handgun Violence Yup Edward Suslovic. That's right. We're still screwed...

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    Oh, my. And it looks like an in-law of my deceased step-father may be the VP (I'm checking on that).

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    So... who should run for this office next term?

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    Suslovic would have to abstain from voting on the gun ban issue or resign from the Board of Directors for the Maine Citizen's Against Handgun Violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Suslovic would have to abstain from voting on the gun ban issue or resign from the Board of Directors for the Maine Citizen's Against Handgun Violence.
    A more clear-cut instance of conflicted interests we may never see.

    So, with Skolnik out of the equation what happens now? Think Coyne or Suslovic will try to pick up the gun ban resolution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Suslovic would have to abstain from voting on the gun ban issue or resign from the Board of Directors for the Maine Citizen's Against Handgun Violence.
    Why?
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Cited above ~ Conflict of Interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Cited above ~ Conflict of Interest.
    Is MCAHV a paid position? If it's a volunteer, not for profit organization than he stands nothing to gain personally and therefore I don't think it would be a conflict of interest. Are you saying that if a MOCA member got elected onto the city council, they couldn't push a pro-gun agenda? That makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Suslovic would have to abstain from voting on the gun ban issue or resign from the Board of Directors for the Maine Citizen's Against Handgun Violence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Why?
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    Cited above ~ Conflict of Interest.
    By that application, nobody that belonged to any organization (either for or against something) could vote on matters related to it? Supporting this, you could not vote being a member of the NRA.

    I understand what you and others are trying to say but see this as being overly broad. No one arrives with a blank slate.
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    Council persons in the past have abstained where political associations and statements of conclusion have already been made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Council persons in the past have abstained where political associations and statements of conclusion have already been made.
    Granted that it might be nice if he were to abstain. Some would even say it was the right thing to do, but see no obligation to do so. Considering the actor involved, I would think this highly improbable though - even out of character.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maine CWP Training View Post
    Council persons in the past have abstained where political associations and statements of conclusion have already been made.
    but they weren't obligated to abstain. They did it out of their own honor. Time will tell whether Suslovic's honor outweighs his agenda in his own mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boyscout399 View Post
    but they weren't obligated to abstain. They did it out of their own honor. Time will tell whether Suslovic's honor outweighs his agenda in his own mind.
    Grape makes a damn fine point. Got to revise my position based on that.

    Also reveals our own cognitive biases, in a way. If I was on the city council I don't know that I could say honestly that I would entertain any proposed anti-gun legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ep0k View Post
    Also reveals our own cognitive biases, in a way. If I was on the city council I don't know that I could say honestly that I would entertain any proposed anti-gun legislation.
    Nor would there be a call for you to resign from MOCA before your vote was considered moral.

    Now if you belonged to an organization that would benefit financially from the outcome of a particular vote, that would be a conflict of interest IMO.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Nor would there be a call for you to resign from MOCA before your vote was considered moral.

    Now if you belonged to an organization that would benefit financially from the outcome of a particular vote, that would be a conflict of interest IMO.
    Which is why we operate on a shoestring with no financial stake.

    Speaking of which, need to figure out how to become a 501 non-profit.
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