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    My Take against Maes

    "Defeated Republican candidate for Governer Dan Maes says he has no regrets about staying in the race until the very end..."

    ...despite the fact that by doing so he undermined the Republican vote, underminded the seat LONG after he knew he hadn't the slightest chance of winning, and very selfishly, especially given the stats which showed he hadn't the slightest chance of winning, was more interested in running the race $$$ to the end, including collecting monthly income and living like a king ($190k+) than acceding defeat and looking for a job like the rest of us.

    Dan Maes is a LIAR. He attempted to garner our vote by identifying with our interests, but when push came to shove, he REFUSED to accedee to a vote obviously geared towards some who MIGHT have won had Maes had simply withdrawn from the race.

    Truth be told MAES WAS IN THE RACE FOR HIMSELF.

    Not us.

    Freakin' moron. His GREED ruined it for the rest of us.

    And to be perfectly honest, his remaining in such an obviously dimorphous race raises questions as to whether he was paid to remain in the race simply to split the vote.

    Seriously - WHO in their right mind dedicated to the platform ideals would do so, so very long after it was abundandtly clear that they'd not only have an irrefutable chance of loosing, but by doing so they'd also drag (by vote drag-off) the remaining votes for the other guy.

    I'm sorry, folks, but as a rational, intelligent human being, at this point there is no other conclusion that Dan Maes stayed in the race because he was either a ridiculously fervent yet inanely mindless...

    Or, that he was on the take from the Dems who paid him, as the underdog, to subvert the Republican Vote.

    Something is VERY WRONG, here in Colorado.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    Something is VERY WRONG, here in Colorado.
    You can say that again. Look at the national map of results and trends and Colorado is a firmly entrenched blue state in a sea of red. We're keeping company with the likes of California and New York. I have never been so disgusted by this state in more years than I can recall.

    The Californication of Colorado appears to be complete.


    ETA: as for maes, the margin of victory for hickey seems to show that it wouldn't have mattered, but yes he's dead to me politically speaking.
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    Maes couldn't be nominated for dog catcher of Pueblo east. But, we took the House big time and took two seats back from the democraps here. We elected a Treasurer, Sec of State and Attorney General and took back the state Assembly. Even if we have a half wit for a Senator and Tax Ritters boyfriend for Governor, at least it wasn't a complete failure. We simply need to nominate better candidates. I want to see Terry Maketa run for something higher in two to four years. That is what will revitalize the GOP here--or better yet, a sinkhole swallows the PDR of Denver and takes Boulder with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman View Post
    ...as for maes, the margin of victory for hickey seems to show that it wouldn't have mattered, but yes he's dead to me politically speaking.
    It was 47% for both Tancreado and Maes, and 51% for Hickenlooper. While on the face of it things appear that HL would have been elected anyway, the point is that Maes was clearly not going to win, and by selfishly running anyway, he pulled both votes and support dollars away from Tancreado. Had those dollars gone to Tancreado, instead, Tancreado might have walked away with 51% of the vote while HL got the 49%.

    As for Bennet, his DIRTY POLITICS cost Ken Buck's win (that and the idiotic voters who didn't figure out that Bennet or his stooge organizations paid for all of the attack ads against Buck).

    Of course it didn't help that Buck stand on two issues was a little extreme. That lost him more votes than it helped.
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    We must remember that the Democratic National Convention was held in Denver back in '08. If that doesn't say democrat stronghold, I don't know what does. Even after 2 years of hell from the democrats in office, it wasn't enough to wake the voters up. Give it time though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpain View Post
    We must remember that the Democratic National Convention was held in Denver back in '08. If that doesn't say democrat stronghold, I don't know what does. Even after 2 years of hell from the democrats in office, it wasn't enough to wake the voters up. Give it time though.
    There is a really good book called The Blueprint: How the Democrats Won Colorado (and Why Republicans Everywhere Should Care). It details how the Dems were able to flip Colorado from a reliable red state to a blue one. It's a good read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entartet17 View Post
    There is a really good book called The Blueprint: How the Democrats Won Colorado (and Why Republicans Everywhere Should Care). It details how the Dems were able to flip Colorado from a reliable red state to a blue one. It's a good read.
    If you don't want to read the book, just recall Bennet's slanderous ads against Buck. It looks like the latest count is 49% to 48%, but with Buck winning 49% to 48% in exit polls.

    As it turns out, Bennet's lead is a touch over 1%, with 97% of the votes counted.

    If the uncounted votes were from a significant right-wing source...

    Given Buck's extreme right-wing position and very narrow loss, I can't help but think that if Jane Norton had one the primary, our Senate seat would not have been lost to the Dems.
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    Very disappointed with Colorado. Disgusted. Going to be impossible to pass a 'no CHP required for CC' bill now. I'd have to get myself arrested and go to the Supreme Court, although Colorado overwhelmingly voted to retain all three corrupt Supreme Court justices. Terrible.

    About Dan--what a POS, destructively-selfish traitor to the cause. He caused Hickenlooper's election for sure. Tancredo would have had more than 47% if Maes was out, because, according to Republican polls, lots of 'Republicans/Conservatives' voted FOR Hickenlooper out of anger with Tancredo. AND ... if Maes had dropped out long ago, Hickenlooper would have had to run 'attack ads' which he conveniently didn't have to this race, and would have lost the approach of the 'noble clean campaign' BS he was touting so much.

    So disappointed. How on Earth could Colorado NOT have shot down 63? Why would people have voted against resisting the 'mandatory' aspect of ObamaCare?

    And The anti-tax measures (60, 61, and 101) were shot down IN FLAMES. Because the opposition spent SO much money on their ads (don't HURT Colorado!) and the stupid F**ing sheep FELL FOR IT! Because we, as the people, have lost all sense of responsibility for ourselves and the desire to THINK. Pathetic. The people don't deserve Liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    If you don't want to read the book, just recall Bennet's slanderous ads against Buck. It looks like the latest count is 49% to 48%, but with Buck winning 49% to 48% in exit polls.

    As it turns out, Bennet's lead is a touch over 1%, with 97% of the votes counted.

    If the uncounted votes were from a significant right-wing source...

    Given Buck's extreme right-wing position and very narrow loss, I can't help but think that if Jane Norton had one the primary, our Senate seat would not have been lost to the Dems.

    Is the Buck/Bennet thing final yet?

    Since9, but Norton was a fake...

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    Maes , Bennett and Buck

    What an!! oh well I won't say it, but I do wonder if he is going to be totally investigated as to the handling of his campaign finances. It appears that he was not vetted before being put on as a Republican candidate, I think they thought McGinnis would win the primary hands down and they would be rid of Maes, but so much for assuming.
    Than this thing with Bennett and Buck , It is interesting that much of the attacks against Buck were actually where Bennett stands so now the reasons that many might not have voted for Buck will now be hitting them right between the eyes as actually coming from Bennett. Well guees if they were so dumb as to listen to the crap that was said in the ads they deserve it. Just wish the rest of us didn't have to suffer for their stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    If you don't want to read the book, just recall Bennet's slanderous ads against Buck.
    The point is that Republicans have been struggling for some time in our state. The Dems made a concerted effort to flip Colorado and are trying to impliment this model in other states. It stretches well beyond the Buck/Bennet race.

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    Democrat LIES

    The interesting part is they are finding enough gullible people in the states, who will either outright vote Democrat, because of the promises (LIES) or be afraid to vote for the republican candidate, because of the ads (LIES). So it is kind of a divide and concore mentality. Promise to divide the wealth or that the Republican or Independent candidate, stands for things that they (the Dems) really stand for. Then letting illegals vote so they can punish their enemies. then there are a few hard core Democrats that still belive that Obama is doing so great and that it will take time for him to shine as he digs us out of the Deep hole that the Republicans put us in, How Blind they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooghost1oo View Post
    Very disappointed with Colorado. Disgusted. Going to be impossible to pass a 'no CHP required for CC' bill now.
    What general assembly even before the democrats took the majority would have passed that? How many states have Alaska style laws? Beyond that, I do notice people in this thread are talking about the federal congress, and not the state general assembly. Even without Hick, when has pro-2A had that kind of power in CO?

    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    As for Bennet, his DIRTY POLITICS cost Ken Buck's win (that and the idiotic voters who didn't figure out that Bennet or his stooge organizations paid for all of the attack ads against Buck).
    Thank goodness Buck and his cronies didn't run any of those.

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    Then letting illegals vote so they can punish their enemies.
    Uhhh.....where did that happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    As for Bennet, his DIRTY POLITICS cost Ken Buck's win (that and the idiotic voters who didn't figure out that Bennet or his stooge organizations paid for all of the attack ads against Buck).

    Of course it didn't help that Buck stand on two issues was a little extreme. That lost him more votes than it helped.
    When you have two monkeys, and one decides to start a poo-throwing contest, what do you expect the other do? It's not clear who fired the fist salvo, but make no mistake, much poo was flung far and wide by BOTH sides. Likewise, who do you think financed Buck's attack ads--which by my accounting were no less nasty than Bennet's?

    That election was one of the most strategically important elections nation wide. Tens of millions of dollars were brought from other states, and national organizations, and that is also true of both sides. But, that's what you get when corporations and other organizations have $$$$$Unlimited Freedom of Speech$$$$$, and aren't held accountable.

    Let's thank the Supreme Court for that, because it's clearly a great thing when legal constructs have more rights than the individuals who work for them. Getting back to the campaign; if you can't accept that a) both sides ran dirty campaigns, and b) both sides benefited from *a bunch* of outside money, then I have to say that you're the sort of people that contribute to this type of politicks. When you all can collectively remove the wool from thine eyes, maybe we can all ditch these clowns and move forward.

    My disclaimer: I wasn't fond of either candidate, but I think Buck lost because some people saw Bennet as the lesser of two evils... And it's his own fault people saw him that way.

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    I like that ^ guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by CO-Joe View Post
    My disclaimer: I wasn't fond of either candidate, but I think Buck lost because some people saw Bennet as the lesser of two evils... And it's his own fault people saw him that way.
    Eh, it was a close race. There were people on both sides with that opinon. Bennet got just a couple more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooghost1oo View Post
    And The anti-tax measures (60, 61, and 101) were shot down IN FLAMES. Because the opposition spent SO much money on their ads (don't HURT Colorado!) and the stupid F**ing sheep FELL FOR IT! Because we, as the people, have lost all sense of responsibility for ourselves and the desire to THINK. Pathetic. The people don't deserve Liberty.
    You evidently didn't look very hard, if at all, at the financial impact of those measures. Some estimates I saw predicted 97-98% of the state general fund going to education if all three had passed. That would mean, based on this year's budget, no more than $210 million for higher education, prisons, and highways COMBINED. That's way less than what we're currently spending just on highways.
    http://bellpolicy.org/sites/default/...on%20Taxes.pdf
    http://bellpolicy.org/content/three-...-student-class
    http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_d...FY10-11BIB.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooghost1oo View Post
    Is the Buck/Bennet thing final yet?

    Since9, but Norton was a fake...
    so is Buck... I had to firmly hold my nose to vote for him after he threw the Tea Party and Proofers under the bus

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman View Post
    so is Buck... I had to firmly hold my nose to vote for him after he threw the Tea Party and Proofers under the bus
    Proofers?? I can't keep up with these conglomerations of pissed off pet issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer22 View Post
    You evidently didn't look very hard, if at all, at the financial impact of those measures. Some estimates I saw predicted 97-98% of the state general fund going to education if all three had passed. That would mean, based on this year's budget, no more than $210 million for higher education, prisons, and highways COMBINED. That's way less than what we're currently spending just on highways.
    http://bellpolicy.org/sites/default/...on%20Taxes.pdf
    http://bellpolicy.org/content/three-...-student-class
    http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_d...FY10-11BIB.pdf
    You do realize the Bell Policy Center is run by a bunch of big-government leftists, right? The only part of their analysis that is even remotely accurate is that K-12 would receive a huge portion of the budget because K-12 funding is protected by Amendment 23.

    The bottom line is that Colorado state government is out of control and growing at an alarming pace (because they figure out ways to bypass TABOR).

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    The spending from the General Fund peaked in Fiscal Year 2008-2009. Since then, $710 million has been cut from the budget. In what bizarre world does that equal "growing at an alarming pace"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahkagari View Post
    Proofers?? I can't keep up with these conglomerations of pissed off pet issues.
    the leftist call them "birthers"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman View Post
    the leftist call them "birthers"
    Ah, sounded a bit like Truthers.

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    Here's the bottom line: a state like Colorado has strong, electable candidates to run. Why don't they? The leadership of the Republican party must go. How can a leftwing tax and spend crypto Marxist like Kickinlooper win? Or a do nothing, spineless boot licker for obooba like Bennet? Why aren't men like Maketa running? How can other states put up strong candidates that have half of our population? We need new, enlightened and intellectually capable leadership in the Republican party, not the clowns that have managed to lose every election in the 5 years I've been here. Both of these races were ours, period. Why did we get stuck with losers on the ballet? We'd better get leadership whose heads are not up their asses before '12, or the Somalian Messiah will carry the state again. As Tipton showed against Salazar: give us a good candidate and we will win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO-Joe View Post
    When you have two monkeys, and one decides to start a poo-throwing contest, what do you expect the other do? It's not clear who fired the fist salvo, but make no mistake, much poo was flung far and wide by BOTH sides.
    To be honest, I didn't see any such offal coming from Buck towards Bennet. Then again, I don't have TV. My input is limited to Hulu, radio, and YouTube, all of which had Bennet ripping into Buck, but not the other way around.

    Could be that Bennet's side tapped more into those venues than the regular TV spots, while Buck limited himself to the latter?

    That election was one of the most strategically important elections nation wide. Tens of millions of dollars were brought from other states, and national organizations, and that is also true of both sides. But, that's what you get when corporations and other organizations have $$$$$Unlimited Freedom of Speech$$$$$, and aren't held accountable.

    Let's thank the Supreme Court for that, because it's clearly a great thing when legal constructs have more rights than the individuals who work for them.
    No doubt here: SCOTUS really screwed The American People on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    To be honest, I didn't see any such offal coming from Buck towards Bennet.
    The ones that said Bennet "cast the deciding vote" on Obamacare were the ones that torqued me off. I don't care if it's on Ken's cowboy boots or high heels, it's still 100% BS. There's no such thing as a "deciding vote" in our system of government and I'm tired of EVERYONE making that crap up.

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