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    Something that should go hand in hand with any CCW attempt or repeal ....

    I believe we need a strong Castle Doctrine law to go along with whatever repeal or CCW bill that comes down the pike.
    I had to change my signature because you know who got upset about it.

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    Call your legislator. Request them to bring legislation to repeal 941.23 and include the castle Doctrine in that legislation.

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    so much for "baby steps". Who wants "baby steps"? Oh yeah, the co ...

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    What state has a well written castle doctrine that we could possibly use as a model for ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peacekeeper View Post
    What state has a well written castle doctrine that we could possibly use as a model for ours.
    TX, I know FL has a "stand your ground" law, but I'm not familiar with it. I think AZ has a pretty decent one. From my [limited] knowledge, TX is still the best.
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    Utah's laws are pretty decent too.
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    As long as were at it, I'd like to toss this from Texas into the mix for giggles. Re-write it a little to remove the nighttime thing and simplify it. Not that I would shoot anybody for stealing my stuff, but I would like the option . Nothing is worst then a thief.

    Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

    (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

    (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

    (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

    (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

    (3) he reasonably believes that:

    (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

    (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Gleason View Post
    Call your legislator. Request them to bring legislation to repeal 941.23 and include the castle Doctrine in that legislation.
    Lets keep the repeal of 941.23 as CLEAN as possible.

    The problem with the legislative process in this country is there are too many complex bills introduced that don't allow a true up or down vote on an issue of principle, but instead complicate the issue and give people who support part of the bill reason to vote against it because they don't support ALL of the bill.

    We need a CLEAN SIMPLE repeal of 941.23. Castle Doctrine is a complex issue that is VERY important, but lets not make the mistake of trying to marry it to a repeal of 941.23 and COMPLICATE the debate on the floor of the statehouse when a repeal of 941.23 comes up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman View Post
    Lets keep the repeal of 941.23 as CLEAN as possible.

    The problem with the legislative process in this country is there are too many complex bills introduced that don't allow a true up or down vote on an issue of principle, but instead complicate the issue and give people who support part of the bill reason to vote against it because they don't support ALL of the bill.

    We need a CLEAN SIMPLE repeal of 941.23. Castle Doctrine is a complex issue that is VERY important, but lets not make the mistake of trying to marry it to a repeal of 941.23 and COMPLICATE the debate on the floor of the statehouse when a repeal of 941.23 comes up.
    Very much agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman View Post
    Lets keep the repeal of 941.23 as CLEAN as possible.

    The problem with the legislative process in this country is there are too many complex bills introduced that don't allow a true up or down vote on an issue of principle, but instead complicate the issue and give people who support part of the bill reason to vote against it because they don't support ALL of the bill.

    We need a CLEAN SIMPLE repeal of 941.23. Castle Doctrine is a complex issue that is VERY important, but lets not make the mistake of trying to marry it to a repeal of 941.23 and COMPLICATE the debate on the floor of the statehouse when a repeal of 941.23 comes up.
    +1

    Of course, I did muddy up my actual letter with the rest of the laws that need repealing.

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    Legislators sneek stuff in on bills all the time. It happened with the repeal of the law prohibiting firearms in national parks. What is there to lose? Nothing.

    If it doesn't work out then we have a legislator draft legislation to repeal 941.23.

    We are never going to know if we don't try. WCI needs to kick into lobby mode before the NRA beats us too it with a new bill that comes complete with permits, fees and mandated training.

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    Repeal 941.23
    Resurrect THIS from the Senate committee it's dead in, having already been passed by the Assembly, and go for it.
    Add DL sticker for those out of state who need something warm/fuzzy to make them feel safe from WI travellers.

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    Federal Election Commission 2008 Campaign Guide for Nonconnected Committees

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Gleason View Post
    We are never going to know if we don't try. WCI needs to kick into lobby mode before the NRA beats us too it with a new bill that comes complete with permits, fees and mandated training.
    Here is the Federal Election Commission 2008 Campaign Guide for Nonconnected Committees, all 134 pages of it, digested law. http://www.fec.gov/pdf/nongui.pdf Including
    Quote Originally Posted by FEC
    The reader is encour-aged also to consult the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, as amended (2 U.S.C. 431 et seq.), Commission regulations (Title 11 of the Code of Federal Regulations), Commission advisory opinions and applicable court decisions.
    That's some of the federal law on lobbying, PACs and campaign financing. The Wisconsin Government Accountability Board - GAB (heh heh heh) - has GAB-510, 511, 513.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WIG19 View Post
    Repeal 941.23
    Resurrect THIS from the Senate committee it's dead in, having already been passed by the Assembly, and go for it.
    Add DL sticker for those out of state who need something warm/fuzzy to make them feel safe from WI travellers[sic].
    That's "castle doctrine" passed by a different Assembly than will next sit.

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    Is it not the case

    that the "Castle Doctrine" is not the same as the "Stand Your Ground Doctrine"? Or put another way, the CD is a special case of the SYGD. I only mention this because it seems that some are using the concepts interchangeably and that could cause confusion.

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    You are right, there are lots of words and concepts used interchangeably by the obtuse as our language is hijacked by the politically correct regime.

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