Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 36

Thread: Hawaii needs people to apply!

  1. #1
    Regular Member Funtimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
    Posts
    48

    Hawaii needs people to apply!

    This is where the rubber meets the road for our state! After much deliberation and consultation with outside sources, Hawaii Concealed Carry requires your assistance. We need all qualified persons to apply for a handgun carry permit with the State of Hawaii, in whatever county you reside. We encourage Big Island, Kauai, and Maui to also apply within their respective county. You may apply for an open carry or concealed carry permit.

    Don’t know if you are qualified? Please follow this checklist:

    (1) I’m at least 21 years or older.

    (2) I’m qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner
    (this means you have taken a LIFE course, NRA course, Handgun Permit Class, are military, prior law enforcement, or have in some other way met the requirements to purchase a handgun previously in this state);

    (3) Not be prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm; (Are you under TRO? Domestic Violence etc.)

    (4) Not have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally deranged. (Has a court told you that you are unfit mentally)

    You will be asked to provide a narrative of why you want to carry weapons. This is not in the statute, but is recommended. These reasons can be things like ” I wish to protect my family “, “I had someone threaten me”, “Self-Defense”, “I have been assaulted”, “Domestic Violence victim” etc.
    Please, if you require assistance with the writing of a narrative contact me: Chris@Hawaiiccw.com .

    If you are military, and have previously been fingerprinted by the state for your transfer weapons they will ask you to pay another 19.25 cents, in exact change. We are currently investigating the legalities of this charge, at this time — pay it. Document that you paid it and forward that information to myself.

    Thing we want you to do! THIS IS IMPORTANT

    – Document everything:

    What officers did you speak with? What did the officers say to you? What did they tell you? Did the officers discourage you from applying? Did they say you wouldn’t get it? Did they say only xxxx people get these? We encourage you to be as descriptive as possible!
    – We need this information, and the follow on information that they send you. We request any and all correspondence from the state regarding these permits. Redact information you don't want us to have. All data will be kept private.

    – Please inform us of your history. We don’t require everything.. but we need to know anything big that may come out in the future.

    Get this information out! We need this to build our plaintiff pool!!

  2. #2
    Campaign Veteran
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    El Paso, TX
    Posts
    1,877

    Post

    I think it's going to take bringing suit against the State of Hawaii, since for 51 years HI has been, IMO, UNCONSITUTIONAL in that it effectively ignores the 2nd Amdnement/RKBA and denies residents of HI to exercise their right of self-defense.

    I plan on moving to HI but it won't be until the Summer of 2012, so I can't be of any boots-on-the-ground help now to you, but when I get there, I had planned on applying for a CC permit, would be denied (as expected) and then sue the state for denying me my rights to SOME form of carry. IMO, a state -- since it's SUPPOSED to be part of the Union and thus the U.S. Constitution is SUPPOSED to apply -- can not ignore ANY of the Bill of Rights. But HI does ignore the 2nd Amendment, for whatever reason. So if a state does not allow SOME form of carrying --- either OC or CC -- then it essentially denies the RKBA, and THAT is unconstitutional. On top of that you must REGISTER your guns!

    Consequently, Hawaii has got to be the WORST violator since it "allegedly" allows CC but at the same time never issues permits, so in reality, CC is denied. And by not allowing OC, THAT form of carry is also denied. So HI does not allow one to exercise the RKBA...EXCEPT the right to own a gun if it is kept inside your home. But you can't BEAR any arms...except inside your home.

    Even if SOME people are given a CC permit in HI, MOST everyone else is not...that is, again IMO, failure to provide "equal protection under the law."

    As for states, either ALL Americans have the same basic rights or they do not, regardless of what state they live in. HI should not be exempt, it's not a foreign country even if it does act like it in some ways.

    The kind of data you are asking for here would be quite useful is such a suit as it seems you are going that route. Or, do you have other plans less "escalated" than that?

    I don't think anything LESS than a full-blown lawsuit will work since (as I said) HI has chosen to deny RKBA rights since 1959, so it would be reasonable to assume HI will NOT voluntarily change, it will have to be FORCED to change.

    You mention your organization "Hawaii CCW." Is yours the only one fighting for the right to carry? If so, have you thought about starting something in HI like some other states have, like the "Hawaii Citizens Defense League" (which does not specify either CC or OC in its name, but it covers both)?

    Whatever, good luck to you...wish I could help but I wouldn't be aplying until 2012...and who knows what will be HI's CC or OC situation then.
    Last edited by cloudcroft; 11-10-2010 at 07:59 PM.

  3. #3
    Regular Member Funtimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
    Posts
    48
    I have lots of plans =p, but it's one step at a time. Trying to look into a 501.3c for something like you speak of.

    Just redid the website!

  4. #4
    McX
    Guest
    i've never been to hawaii, probably will never get to go. do you get a free pineapple with a permit?

  5. #5
    Regular Member Funtimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
    Posts
    48
    Once you have been approved there is free pineapple! However, Hawaii has kept all their pineapples for about fifteen years now =/.

  6. #6
    Regular Member MarlboroLts5150's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    San Antonio
    Posts
    407
    Quote Originally Posted by Funtimes View Post
    Once you have been approved there is free pineapple! However, Hawaii has kept all their pineapples for about fifteen years now =/.
    And thats a lot of pineapples.
    "My dedication to my country's flag rests on my ardent belief in this noblest of causes, equality for all. If my future rests under this earth rather than upon it, I fear not."

    -Leopold Karpeles, US Civil War Medal of Honor Recipient

  7. #7
    McX
    Guest
    i wish you guys success, and all the best in your endeavors! you know how isolated you are from the continent, and if the poop hits the fan your guns will be the only thing that keep you free. i envy you greatly though, for your isolation in a tropical paradise no less.

  8. #8
    Regular Member MarlboroLts5150's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    San Antonio
    Posts
    407
    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    i envy you greatly though, for your isolation in a tropical paradise no less.
    Just me, but your opinion of this 'tropical paradise' might change after you have lived here for awhile. Mine did.
    "My dedication to my country's flag rests on my ardent belief in this noblest of causes, equality for all. If my future rests under this earth rather than upon it, I fear not."

    -Leopold Karpeles, US Civil War Medal of Honor Recipient

  9. #9
    Regular Member MarlboroLts5150's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    San Antonio
    Posts
    407

    Hey FunTimes.....

    Didn't know if you had these (probably do). These are the reports to the State Attorney General's Office for 2002-2008.

    They go into monsterous detail about permits to aquire firearms and registration. But very, very vague about carry permits.

    They approve the majority of carry permits for work-related reasons, and all but one for private citizens.

    25 applied for, 24 denied. From what I've heard, the one approved was for a judge, and only for 6 months. Can't find the info on that again, I could be wrong.

    Hawaii citizens don't apply for carry permits, because they know the Chief will deny them.

    I hope you can get that changed.
    Attached Files Attached Files
    "My dedication to my country's flag rests on my ardent belief in this noblest of causes, equality for all. If my future rests under this earth rather than upon it, I fear not."

    -Leopold Karpeles, US Civil War Medal of Honor Recipient

  10. #10
    Campaign Veteran
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    El Paso, TX
    Posts
    1,877
    Is that at least partly why you're presently "in Ewa Beach but soon heading to Georgia?"
    Last edited by cloudcroft; 11-12-2010 at 11:50 PM.

  11. #11
    Regular Member Funtimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
    Posts
    48
    We are working very diligently on this. You know I will complain and raise a stink :P you worked with me in the office long enough! We have a few people going down already. Another gentleman just printed out like 100 flyer packages to hand out. Thanks for the links man. I am wonder what happened to the 2009 / 2010 data, sounds like I need a freedom of information act request!

  12. #12
    Regular Member MarlboroLts5150's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    San Antonio
    Posts
    407
    Quote Originally Posted by Funtimes View Post
    We are working very diligently on this. You know I will complain and raise a stink :P you worked with me in the office long enough! We have a few people going down already. Another gentleman just printed out like 100 flyer packages to hand out. Thanks for the links man. I am wonder what happened to the 2009 / 2010 data, sounds like I need a freedom of information act request!
    2009 should be out now, I'll do a search for it. 2010 won't be out for a few months at least.
    "My dedication to my country's flag rests on my ardent belief in this noblest of causes, equality for all. If my future rests under this earth rather than upon it, I fear not."

    -Leopold Karpeles, US Civil War Medal of Honor Recipient

  13. #13
    Regular Member MarlboroLts5150's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    San Antonio
    Posts
    407
    Here is the 2009 report. 2010 should be out anywhere between Feb. and June.
    Attached Files Attached Files
    "My dedication to my country's flag rests on my ardent belief in this noblest of causes, equality for all. If my future rests under this earth rather than upon it, I fear not."

    -Leopold Karpeles, US Civil War Medal of Honor Recipient

  14. #14
    Regular Member Funtimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
    Posts
    48
    Printed it out! Thank you man.

  15. #15
    Regular Member MarlboroLts5150's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    San Antonio
    Posts
    407
    Quote Originally Posted by cloudcroft View Post
    Is that at least partly why you're presently "in Ewa Beach but soon heading to Georgia?"
    Partly. I took orders back to Mainland USA to make it easier to see family, haven't seen my son in 5 years come January.

    As far as Hawaii, I'm just not an islander. Lot of great people here, lots to do. But, I also had my fill of the 'bad side of Hawaii'.

    Just not for me. Been here since 2003.
    "My dedication to my country's flag rests on my ardent belief in this noblest of causes, equality for all. If my future rests under this earth rather than upon it, I fear not."

    -Leopold Karpeles, US Civil War Medal of Honor Recipient

  16. #16
    Founder's Club Member - Moderator ed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Loudoun County - Dulles Airport, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,848
    Maybe I should try and apply for an out of state permit.
    Carry On.

    Ed

    VirginiaOpenCarry.Org (Coins, Shirts and Patches)
    - - - -
    For VA Open Carry Cards send a S.A.2S.E. to: Ed's OC cards, Box 16143, Wash DC 20041-6143 (they are free but some folks enclose a couple bucks too)

  17. #17
    Founder's Club Member - Moderator ed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Loudoun County - Dulles Airport, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    4,848
    Carry On.

    Ed

    VirginiaOpenCarry.Org (Coins, Shirts and Patches)
    - - - -
    For VA Open Carry Cards send a S.A.2S.E. to: Ed's OC cards, Box 16143, Wash DC 20041-6143 (they are free but some folks enclose a couple bucks too)

  18. #18
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    Hit up Kokohead gun range on a Sunday you'll have hundreds of folks that might be willing to help out.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  19. #19
    Regular Member Funtimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
    Posts
    48
    Yeah I have someone who is donating a laser printer to me =o. So I am waiting to pick that up so I can print for just over .016 cents a page.

  20. #20
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    Quote Originally Posted by Funtimes View Post
    Yeah I have someone who is donating a laser printer to me =o. So I am waiting to pick that up so I can print for just over .016 cents a page.
    We are no longer "state" residents but I will be back soon again, should we apply to? Maybe I can get my brother-in-law to apply. He always goes to KokoHead gun range.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  21. #21
    Regular Member Funtimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
    Posts
    48
    There is no residency requirement in the statute. However, with that said, I don't think they would accept mail in fingerprints. So if you can get here to do it, hell yeah. Hit us up with the info or an e-mail from the links below.

  22. #22
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338
    I registered my Glock last time I was there, and will be back hopefully in January if work allows it. So I can try then.

    I think too with the new senate and congress we might see a bill similar to the Thune amendment come back and it will probably pass this time the last one only failed by two votes.

    If that is the case Hawaii, California, Illinois, New York will be forced to recognized concealed permits.
    Last edited by sudden valley gunner; 11-18-2010 at 10:20 AM.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  23. #23
    Campaign Veteran
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    El Paso, TX
    Posts
    1,877
    Has any "market study" been done in the past to see how much (at least on Oahu) citizen support is out there for a "first step" in the process, such as getting the present "May Issue" [AKA: No Issue] CC permit system changed to "Shall Issue?"

    Were there any earlier (in past years) petitions attempted/completed? If so, did they gots lots of signatures (which would indicate a large citizen support base) or did they not get enough (indicating little citizen interest and/or a whole lot of apathy)?

    P.S. Mail-in fingerprints are accepted in other states, but of course they have to be taken by some "certified" official (for examples, a police department, or one's officially-certified-with-the-state CC class/course instructor) and sworn to (notarized) re: their identity...so MAYBE Hawaii will allow the same, even if it does seem to be a foreign country sometimes.
    Last edited by cloudcroft; 11-18-2010 at 11:58 AM.

  24. #24
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    honolulu
    Posts
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Funtimes View Post
    Document everything:
    Got a call today after sending letter yesterday.

    My letter copied your template, adding a line from Hawaii constitution rather than US, and referring to my field work in remote areas with wild animals and marijuana farmers.

    HPD called me to say I would have to come to station and fill out paperwork. Mentioned the following specifically:
    Proof of citizenship if born outside US.
    Proof of hunting or firearms safety course, notarized by instructor.
    Do not accept any military records or qualification/training.
    Fourteen day waiting period.

  25. #25
    Regular Member Funtimes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
    Posts
    48
    Military training is accepted, you need a letter from your commanding officer (Or designated representative) stating:

    Trained in HRS-134
    Conducted two hours of range training
    Completed four hours of firearm education

    I will be using military training to satisfy my requirements for the next purchase. Without a notarized seal, as most commanding officers are a actual Federal Notary, without requiring a seal (there is no federal seal!).
    I actually have a letter from Major. Kurt Kendro of the Firearms Department, stating they will accept my signed paper (without impression).

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •