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Another citizen saved by his A/V recorder. TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport

Citizen

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Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano:
"And we ask the American people to play an important part of our layered defense. We ask for cooperation, patience and a commitment to vigilance in the face of a determined enemy."
Funny....the only determined enemy I see affecting our lives right now is YOU (and your DHS ilk), and in fact you ARE seeing a 'commitment to vigilance'...so why exactly are you complaining?

+1 on Phssthpok's "commitment to vigilance."

One of my all time favorite quotes is from a speech by Edmund Burke to Parliament in March 1775. Speaking about the American colonists, he said, "They augur misgovernment at a distance; and snuff the approach of tyranny in every tainted breeze."


End of the sixth paragraph:

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch1s2.html

Also, note the subject matter of the sixth paragraph. Compare to our reading statutes and court opinions.
 

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...of course the case for global empathy would inadvertently create the allusion of peace as well(no more guns?).

How are they planning to get the bears, mountain lion, wolves, and coyotes out there to watch TV and become similarly empathic with respect to not attacking or eating myself, my son, and any pets we might have?

More importantly, what's the plan to turn bad guys into good guys? Genetic identification at birth? Lifetime incarceration of 3rd-graders for pulling someone else's hair?

Are corrupt governments going to turn themselves in because they're "good-natured? (the antithesis of corruption)

Yeah! I didn't think so!

It's a pipe dream. We'll always have bad guys (and bad animals, and corrupt governments) against which we need to remain armed.
 

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How are they planning to get the bears, mountain lion, wolves, and coyotes out there to watch TV and become similarly empathic with respect to not attacking or eating myself, my son, and any pets we might have?

More importantly, what's the plan to turn bad guys into good guys? Genetic identification at birth? Lifetime incarceration of 3rd-graders for pulling someone else's hair?

Are corrupt governments going to turn themselves in because they're "good-natured? (the antithesis of corruption)

Yeah! I didn't think so!

It's a pipe dream. We'll always have bad guys (and bad animals, and corrupt governments) against which we need to remain armed.

its worse than that. Its a push for global governance and less sovereignty for us. With much more than passing thought I think it should become clear that this video is trying to appeal to us to be a herd instead of individuals. Empathy is a useful tool, not something to be guided by as they are hoping and suggesting we should change society to do. This is a steaming pile of progressive mess that has been around for a long time. They just add in an appeal to science to make their idea seem new and exciting.
 

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With much more than passing thought I think it should become clear that this video is trying to appeal to us to be a herd instead of individuals.

This is the goal of human control, as has been attempted countless times throughout human history, including England's failed attempt to squash their colonies as well as many succeeding governments' attempts to silence our U.S. civilians.
 
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NO!

I will not cooperate with scanners or pat-downs.

You may not view nor touch my junk!

Sounds like I need a "You can't touch my junk" t-shirt to go with "Frisk Me, I Am A Terrorist."

Or

"You can't touch this" with an arrow pointing down and a TSA logo on the back...
 
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NO!

I will not cooperate with scanners or pat-downs.

You may not view nor touch my junk!

My first response when I read(e) that even children were being patted down was an image in my head of someone touching my kid and me beating the sh*t out of them...just a natural protective response when someone is touching my child.
 

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A lot of TSA folks are being questioned on TV and in front of Congress. I haven't heard this question asked or answered yet. It needs to be posed:

How many terrorists have been stopped by the TSA screening procedures? As far as I can tell, two things have stopped terror attacks on airplanes since 9/11: good intelligence and blind luck.
 

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Ever since 9-11 happened, I've had Babylon 5 in the back of my mind. Over the course of it's five seasons there was a fairly main storyline that was heavily political.

I found a site that's hosting all five seasons for free viewing and I've started to re-watch it from the beginning. (I highly recommend re-watching this series with a view to current events.)

No more than 4 episodes into season 1 (1994) do I find the first prescient quote from the series:

"You forgot the first rule of the fanatic: When you become obsessed with the enemy, you BECOME the enemy."

Perhaps someone should point this out to Napoleon-itano.
 

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With how detailed these scanning machines are, shouldn't the agents who are seeing children be prosecuted for looking at child porn?!
 

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With how detailed these scanning machines are, shouldn't the agents who are seeing children be prosecuted for looking at child porn?!

That's one avenue of redress. Only a child's doctor and his parents, with the parents consent, have the right to view them naked. The problem is, all children must be accompanied by the parent through security, so the parents are giving consent to the procedure.

A more viable approach would be to deny the scan, then deny a pat-down on the grounds that such groping will psychologically harm the child.
 

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That's one avenue of redress. Only a child's doctor and his parents, with the parents consent, have the right to view them naked. The problem is, all children must be accompanied by the parent through security, so the parents are giving consent to the procedure.

I disagree. There is also implied consent. If a child is hurt and no parent is around then I have implied concent to do what is in the best interest of the child and will do so.
I think the same would go for the planes. You send a child to a airport to fly alone to somewhere then I will have implied concent since he is flying.
 

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Sure is alot of talk about not flying cause I dont want gropped or seen in x-ray. To me it seems like something petty. You already get this done medically but no one is throwing a fit. I have seen 100's of people nekkid. Men and women. Some I wish I never did. My work is always done in a professional manor. I'm sure they are doing their job professionally to. I guess you want to fly, there rules.

I never or will never fly. If I need to go some place I will ride there. If I cant then its not worth seeing.
 

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Sure is alot of talk about not flying cause I dont want gropped or seen in x-ray. To me it seems like something petty. You already get this done medically but no one is throwing a fit. I have seen 100's of people nekkid. Men and women. Some I wish I never did. My work is always done in a professional manor. I'm sure they are doing their job professionally to. I guess you want to fly, there rules.

I never or will never fly. If I need to go some place I will ride there. If I cant then its not worth seeing.

Rights are not taken in one fell swoop. They are chipped away at, because, when one little piece is taken away, complaining is seen as "petty."

No. We have committed no crimes. TSA has no probable cause and no warrant to authorize them to conduct any search, let alone such an invasive one as to image our naked bodies and touch anyone's genitals, buttocks, or breasts.

The demand that our rights, all of them, no matter how minor some may think those rights are, is never petty.

Shame on anyone who refers to allowing the government to run roughshod over our rights as being petty.
 

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Shame on anyone who refers to allowing the government to run roughshod over our rights as being petty.

+1!!!


The terrorists are winning. They are forcing us to give up our liberty, they are making us hire hundreds of thousands of workers and guess what? The last 2 attempts to bring down a plane have been stopped by fellow passengers. The shoe bomber was trying to light his shoe on fire and his seat mate stopped him. The underwear bomber was trying to set his pants on fire and was stopped.

Arm the pilot and flight crew, potentially the passengers as well. Americans have realized the danger and now now what to do. Convert some of the TSA workers to air marshals and do what Israel does, profile the passengers and investigate those that fit the profile. Saves money, saves hassle.

I am so fed up!
 

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Sure is alot of talk about not flying cause I dont want gropped or seen in x-ray. To me it seems like something petty. You already get this done medically but no one is throwing a fit. I have seen 100's of people nekkid. Men and women. Some I wish I never did. My work is always done in a professional manor. I'm sure they are doing their job professionally to. I guess you want to fly, there rules.

I never or will never fly. If I need to go some place I will ride there. If I cant then its not worth seeing.

I'm not bothered so much by nudity or gropage. Its the illegal search that bothers me and causes me to be offended at things I would otherwise go for. This whole liberty thing is becoming a favorite hobby of mine. If I was wealthy enough to buy a fleet of aircraft I would open a small (probably only at first) airline that has only bomb sniffing security. I'd call it Liberty Air and issue Knives or shotguns to all passengers that didn't bring their own (well maybe not that one I'm not keen on loaning my arms to strangers, they might loose or damage them).
 

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It was ordinary citizens who saved the Capitol Building by bringing one of the planes down in PA on 9/11. Law-abiding citizens are our first line of defense against those who would harm us. If we may lawfully carry on the ground, I see no reason we may not lawfully carry in the air.

Actually, I think you meant to say was something more like this:

It was black budget operators who saved the Capitol Building by blowing a hole in the ground 1/4 the size of a passenger jet and scattering airplane parts over a 9-mile trajectory in PA on 9/11.
NEVER, to my knowledge, have citizens on a plane ever prevented a hijacking from succeeding.

Most of the time, the plane goes down, and everyone dies. Once in a great while, special ops types get on board and kill all the hijackers, like in the famous "Raid on Entebbe".

Oh, wait a minute, THAT one was staged by Shin Bet, and was essentially another example of government-sponsored false-flag terrorism used to demonize political dissidents...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/01/israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6710289.stm

http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-k-file-on-entebbe-contains-claim-that-israel-behind-hijacking-1.222003

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1867995.ece


History is bearing out, time and time again, that the BIGGEST "terrorist" threats to air travel are actually the very governments that are claiming to "protect" us.

The RMS Lusitania... Gulf of Tonkin... Brown Brothers Harriman's funding of the fledgling NSDAP, JP Morgan funding the Bolshevik Revolution, Zbigniew Brzezinski funding, training, and equipping the Mujahideen...

When will people wake up?
 
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A man was just interviewed Fox News regarding his experience with a TSA grope session.

He has a urostomy. He tried to advise the agent of this. The agent did not want to hear and said so. The man hoped for the best. The agent was pressing quite hard as he patted down the man's chest. He tried to warn the agent again that if he continued in that manner, he might disconnect the urostomy. The agent again said he did not want to hear this. Sure enough, he popped the top off the urostomy, and got the man's urine on his shirt and pants.

The agent went to check the liquid on his gloves. When it came back as nothing dangerous, he told the man he was free to go. No apology. The man had not time to change. He had to board the plane wearing his urine in his clothing. On the plane, he was able to visit the restroom, clean up, and change clothing.

Can the TSA show a regard for dignity? It's bad enough that current procedures disregard rights.

But there is more reason for concern. The TSA has since stated that ostomy wearers should be able to inform the agents of them and that screeners should not touch the ostomy nor should the ostomy wearer be required to produce it for inspection. Good.

So what's to stop a terrorist from installing a fake ostomy and filling it with explosives??? The TSA procedures do not make us safer. They just defy our dignity and our rights. They are a drain on wealth and time. They are a win for the terrorists who have the stated intent not to conduct another major attack but, instead, to pose many more smaller threats that create a drain on our economy. The TSA is stupidly playing along.
 
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