Another citizen saved by his A/V recorder. TSA ejects Oceanside man from airport

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/nov/14/tsa-ejects-oceanside-man-airport-refusing-security/

SignOnSandiego.com said:

Tyner was simultaneously thrown out of San Diego International Airport on Saturday morning for refusing to submit to a security check and threatened with a civil suit and $10,000 fine if he left.

And he got the whole thing on his cell phone. Well, the audio at least.

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With link URL to the recordings

http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/

http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html

I like the last paragraph:

Tyner points out that every terrorist act on an airplane has been halted by passengers. "It's time to stop treating passengers like criminals and start treating them as assets," he said.

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+1!

I am truly sorry for the hassle this man has already gone through and the future hassle he is bound to face. I hope he wins his civil suit and enough money to accomplish two things:

1. That he feels like he came out ahead and that his efforts proved to be worthwhile for him personally.

2. That his efforts prove worthwhile for the rest of us and that the TSA is reigned in.

We should not have to subject our naked bodies to view or our clothed bodies to groping of our private parts as a condition of flying.

The TSA agents were trying to do their job as they have been instructed and did not force the groping. They found themselves in the horrible position of trying to justify an unjustifiable system. I wouldn't hold them responsible. The TSA and the "government agent" (for lack of a better term) both should be held financially responsible for violating the civil rights of this man. The "agents" actions were particularly reprehensible. He should have recognized that, even if the law required screening once the man entered "the secure area," then the mistake was on the part of the TSA for escorting him out. Once he was out, the government had nothing more to say in the matter.

Disgusting.

CAIR tells Muslims how to limit TSA inspection
'They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=227513

Make it count ...

Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano said:

And we ask the American people to play an important part of our layered defense. We ask for cooperation, patience and a commitment to vigilance in the face of a determined enemy.

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NO!

I will not cooperate with scanners or pat-downs.

You may not view nor touch my junk!

You could always do as was reported a airline pilot did recently. He supposedly cold cocked the TSA jerk who supposedly gave him an "extra" feel. That needs to happen to the onsite TSA supervisor at EVERY airport in the country.

paul@paul-fisher.com said:

I like the last paragraph:

Tyner points out that every terrorist act on an airplane has been halted by passengers. "It's time to stop treating passengers like criminals and start treating them as assets," he said.

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+1!

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+2!

OldCurlyWolf said:

You could always do as was reported a airline pilot did recently. He supposedly cold cocked the TSA jerk who supposedly gave him an "extra" feel. That needs to happen to the onsite TSA supervisor at EVERY airport in the country.

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then what to do with the inevitable felony assault on a federal official charges? do we trust a jury to nullify the assault?

Yeah, it is important that those who fight for their rights remain reasonable. Striking the officer could take the focus off the rights violation and put it on the assault.

Tyner acted very reasonably and remained under control at all times. His response was measured, during the event and in later interviews. I am impressed with the young man, his principles, and his demeanor. He is the kind of person who will help all America understand that these scanners and pat-downs are clear invasions of privacy that should not be tolerated.

A pilot slugging a TSA officer will be seen by most as the aggressor.

There are safer and more effective methods of preventing a hijacking:

- A locked cockpit door, great start (and nearly implemented on every commercial plane). - Ballistic reinforcements to prevent the cockpit area being breached.
- Random air marshals on flights (mix them up every flight to prevent recognition)
- People taking responsibility and challenging a would be hijacker. You may get a few of us, but we WILL get you.

A search that is on par with a search incident to arrest is unacceptable. The TSA was a kneejerk reaction to 9/11. That being said, I drive everywhere I need to go. I've put some mileage on some vehicles traipsing through Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama from SE VA.

palerider116 said:

There are safer and more effective methods of preventing a hijacking:

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Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth.

palerider116 said:

There are safer and more effective methods of preventing a hijacking:

- A locked cockpit door, great start (and nearly implemented on every commercial plane). - Ballistic reinforcements to prevent the cockpit area being breached.
- Random air marshals on flights (mix them up every flight to prevent recognition)
- People taking responsibility and challenging a would be hijacker. You may get a few of us, but we WILL get you.

A search that is on par with a search incident to arrest is unacceptable. The TSA was a kneejerk reaction to 9/11. That being said, I drive everywhere I need to go. I've put some mileage on some vehicles traipsing through Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Alabama from SE VA.

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The best solution?

Lawfully carried and properly holstered firearms should be allowed on commercial aircraft. Drawing the weapon on the airplane for any reason other than the defense of self and others should be a federal crime.

It was ordinary citizens who saved the Capitol Building by bringing one of the planes down in PA on 9/11. Law-abiding citizens are our first line of defense against those who would harm us. If we may lawfully carry on the ground, I see no reason we may not lawfully carry in the air.

eye95 said:

The best solution?

Lawfully carried and properly holstered firearms should be allowed on commercial aircraft. Drawing the weapon on the airplane for any reason other than the defense of self and others should be a federal crime.

It was ordinary citizens who saved the Capitol Building by bringing one of the planes down in PA on 9/11. Law-abiding citizens are our first line of defense against those who would harm us. If we may lawfully carry on the ground, I see no reason we may not lawfully carry in the air.

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Agreed. The problem is reclaiming a right that has been yielded by previous generations. It is going to be a long battle to reclaim that fundamental right. A right yielded is an open invitation for more government intervention.

Doug Huffman said:

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth.

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Doug,

That statement appeals to a fundamental truth that "all men are created equal". But that has never been the case. Not in 2010. Not in 1964. Not in 1865. Not 1776. Not in 1607. Some are more equal than others. Rights and liberty have been conceded for over 400 years. As long as the majority are content to keep yielding rights, we will never be equal.

Would an armed citizen be the best response for a hijacker? Yes. Help that hijacker make the journey over the river Styx. Talk about reward mileage.

palerider116 said:

Doug,

That statement appeals to a fundamental truth that "all men are created equal". But that has never been the case. Not in 2010. Not in 1964. Not in 1865. Not 1776. Not in 1607. Some are more equal than others. SNIP

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I just watched an interesting video on global empathy and how it has progressed over the years. let me see if I can dig it up.....of course the case for global empathy would inadvertently create the allusion of peace as well(no more guns?).

[video=youtube;l7AWnfFRc7g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g[/video]

As posted by Eye95
"Quote Originally Posted by Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano
And we ask the American people to play an important part of our layered defense. We ask for cooperation, patience and a commitment to vigilance in the face of a determined enemy."

All I DEMAND of Government at ANY and ALL levels is an understanding and recognition of the Constitution of these United States, the limits placed up ANY government agent/agency, the rights of the various States, and the Rights and powers of the Citizens of the Country---- you know, all those Other rights and privileges NOT granted to the federal Government or the individual states THAT ARE RESERVED TO THE PEOPLE.

Yep, in this case the caps may be both for emphasis and yelling, again for further emphasis!

Yell away!

Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano:
"And we ask the American people to play an important part of our layered defense. We ask for cooperation, patience and a commitment to vigilance in the face of a determined enemy."

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Funny....the only determined enemy I see affecting our lives right now is YOU (and your DHS ilk), and in fact you ARE seeing a 'commitment to vigilance'...so why exactly are you complaining?