Right on John, and thank you. I have the same wishes as you.
Thread: A 7 Day Ban For Spartacus
Despite my repeated requests, the fighting here continues. I have banned Spartacus for 7 days and hope that when he comes back, he will be more civil.
There are others who have been almost as disruptive and I offer this one warning. No more of the sniping or I will dispense bans.
Let's get back to discussing open carry and stop spending every waking moment attacking each other.
Right on John, and thank you. I have the same wishes as you.
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)
If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor
I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)
I guess we have a week to see if a ban helps the Wis. forum stay on track...
Thank you Sir!
In God I trust. Everyone else needs to keep your hands where I can see them.
A very good move and hopefully it will do some good but I am very pessimistic about that. The troll word has been thrown around quite a lot lately but frankly I am having a hard time deciding exactly who are the trolls. In quite a few cases it almost appears that some who are tossing the term around quite loosely need to look in the mirror to see the troll. If you feed a troll then you risk becoming one yourself. There has been way too much troll feeding going on lately.
i am disappointed, i will miss my sword wielding friend, his thoughts and ideas.
I'm sure it will help, but we have to learn to moderate ourselves and learn how to deal with trolls. Go to this website to learn and find out information like the following quotes:
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial time wasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).
Where are you likely to find trolls?
Wherever they are tolerated - this means forums and networking sites that have loose or lazy moderation, and places like Usenet (newsgroups) where there may be no moderation at all.
Where trolls are successful is a slightly different issue - some forums allow members to set an 'ignore' function, so they just do not see troll posts, after the first one, and some specialist forums are tightly focused so that troll posts stick out a mile and are ignored - it's larger, more general forums that have issues, as it only takes a couple of members to be drawn in for the whole forum to suffer. They also thrive on 'opinion' sites, such as politics and religion, where feelings often run high anyway. But, again, only if moderation is weak.
Usenet has a special problem, as moderation is impossible; for trolls to be controlled, requires committed members using their killfiles effectively, and avoiding accidental cross-posting - which is all too easy with many newsreading software setups.
Some career trolls have set up their [own] forums to exchange notes. These rarely thrive, as most trolls are not team players, and they simply fight among themselves. in other cases, they become centers for cyberbullying (see stalking); while that's a sad development, it makes it easier to have the sites closed.
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Fight for "Stand Your Ground " legislation!
WI DA Gerald R. Fox:
"These so-called 'public safety' laws only put decent law-abiding citizens at a dangerous disadvantage when it comes to their personal safety, and I for one am glad that this decades-long era of defective thinking on gun issues is over..."
Remember: Don't make old People mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to piss us off.
I am using this opportunity to also do some introspection. We all need to think before we hit the 'submit' button. Does what we just typed need to be said? If it isn't OC related, should it be sent? If it isn't WI related, should it be sent? I'm not saying we can't and shouldn't stand up for ourselves, however, sometimes it makes us look like 'trolls' as well.
So..... Let's all take a step back and see if we can all be a little more civil.
We have a GREAT opportunity in the next 6 months to move the ball forward, let's fight the real enemy, not each other, even though sometimes it's fun.
sigh, i guess i'll have to be the one to make sure Sparticus is fed while he's shuttered in his cage. I need some newspapers for the floor in there too.
You gave 'Fair Warning' months ago. Instead of following through with it, you gave Spartacus a license to behave the way he does. You began to completely delete his threads to remove any evidence that he had broken a rule. Entire threads dissappeared. I feel that type of moderating in unethical.
You just banned him for seven days, TODAY! How does that old saying go, "A day late and a dollar short". One day and one dollar? It's alot worse than that.
BAN ME, SO I CAN'T COME BACK.
Also, here's a clue, vBulletin software allows one to moderate a thread or individual posts. What you perceive as deleted may not actually be deleted. It gets "moderated" or "unapproved", and it disappears from view except by the moderator team. Also, users can be moderated to where nothing they post appears until approved.
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
I did not give Spartacus a license to behave badly. I repeatedly asked him to tone it down and I edited, deleted or unapproved (hid) his posts that I found to be in violation of the rules or just distasteful. I did that because I didn't want those coming here (media etc) to see it, not because I was trying to hide something from other posters.
As for why I waited so long and only started with a 7 day ban ... Spartacus IS a dedicated gun rights advocate and activist in the real world and puts his time and money into the struggle. The fact that he is over the top on the internet doesn't detract from that. I gave him a lot of chances because he earned them in the real world. Period. You can be angry with me for that but it is my reasoning and I stand by it.
And finally, as for your request to be banned ... I will not ban you for criticizing me. That is your right as a forum member. I am not perfect but I will always accept your complaints and tell you why I did something even if you think it is wrong.
I support all rights, even freedom of speech.
I am going to hang in there for a while and see if the situation improves. With appropriate moderation, not the limiting of ideas and free discussion, but appropriate moderation this board can be a great asset to the various RKBA efforts.
I have been following the Wisconsin forum for a while now. First as a lurker, then signed up to respond to some posts. A most interesting place it is.
As a former resident of the Badger State, I feel Wisconsin is poised to be a national leader in gun rights over the next couple of years. With the latest court decision on concealed carry, the Culver's incident, and the change of power with the state legislature, all sorts of 2A goodness is coming out of the state.
That said, it is time to represent. It is time to put on the coat and tie and act professional. Trim your nails, brush your hair, and brush your teeth, because the nation is watching.
A previous poster said it best by simply asking folks to reread what is written and ask if it is really on topic and if it really needs to be stated.
Good luck to all of you in the coming battle for your right to carry. You are poised to leap frog ahead of my state of North Carolina!